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Jus Blazin wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What does 'freedom' mean, Muriel? Freedom is an experience. It is not a definition. Do experiences have meaning? Okay. Can the experience of freedom be shared? Would you say that someone's argument, or description, represent their experience? Would you say people are trapped in and by their experiences? Yes you would. Trapped and limited. Hence true, freedom is an experience. So my arguments and descriptions represent my freedom.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What does 'freedom' mean, Muriel? Freedom is an experience. It is not a definition. Do experiences have meaning? Okay. Can the experience of freedom be shared? Would you say that someone's argument, or description, represent their experience? Would you say people are trapped in and by their experiences? Yes you would. Trapped and limited. Hence true, freedom is an experience. So my arguments and descriptions represent my freedom. Yes and no. Freedom can be represented by arguments and description of others. See, Libyans and Iraqis didn't need the freedom they were told they would have through democracy. With that 'freedom', they are worse off. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Jus Blazin wrote:Muriel wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What does 'freedom' mean, Muriel? Freedom is an experience. It is not a definition. Do experiences have meaning? Okay. Can the experience of freedom be shared? Would you say that someone's argument, or description, represent their experience? Would you say people are trapped in and by their experiences? Yes you would. Trapped and limited. Hence true, freedom is an experience. So my arguments and descriptions represent my freedom. Yes and no. Freedom can be represented by arguments and description of others. See, Libyans and Iraqis didn't need the freedom they were told they would have through democracy. With that 'freedom', they are worse off. Freedom just like security is non existent If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Today I had this dream that my soul was a depository of many mind-body experiences each stacked on the other in holes that were six foot deep.
My task was to dig six feet down into the subconscious of my mind body, then take off in a military Jeep - I was a major - and enrich my body-mind experience before coming to be buried.
That's my freedom experience this moment; my security.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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To be born again, one must go into the tomb. To go into the tomb one must lose his self.
The tomb is the unconscious. Resurrection is coming from the depths and into the world. After that there's no death.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Swenani wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Muriel wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What does 'freedom' mean, Muriel? Freedom is an experience. It is not a definition. Do experiences have meaning? Okay. Can the experience of freedom be shared? Would you say that someone's argument, or description, represent their experience? Would you say people are trapped in and by their experiences? Yes you would. Trapped and limited. Hence true, freedom is an experience. So my arguments and descriptions represent my freedom. Yes and no. Freedom can be represented by arguments and description of others. See, Libyans and Iraqis didn't need the freedom they were told they would have through democracy. With that 'freedom', they are worse off. Freedom just like security is non existent freedom can exist even in insecurity.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Muriel wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What does 'freedom' mean, Muriel? Freedom is an experience. It is not a definition. Do experiences have meaning? Okay. Can the experience of freedom be shared? Would you say that someone's argument, or description, represent their experience? Would you say people are trapped in and by their experiences? Yes you would. Trapped and limited. Hence true, freedom is an experience. So my arguments and descriptions represent my freedom. Yes and no. Freedom can be represented by arguments and description of others. See, Libyans and Iraqis didn't need the freedom they were told they would have through democracy. With that 'freedom', they are worse off. Freedom just like security is non existent freedom can exist even in insecurity. Freedom is a sense,its not an experience,it can not be seen,its perceived just like a myth. What appears to be freedom to @Muriel might not appear to @Swenani as freedom. Freedom is a perception of convenience.A myth is a convenience for the unknown! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Swenani wrote:
Freedom is a sense,its not an experience,it can not be seen,its perceived just like a myth.
What appears to be freedom to @Muriel might not appear to @Swenani as freedom.
Freedom is a perception of convenience.A myth is a convenience for the unknown!
It is exactly because what is freedom to Muriel might not be so to Swenani that freedom can exist in insecurity. Yes, freedom can exist in prison. It is not a traditional convenience. It is the inconvenient reality.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:
Freedom is a sense,its not an experience,it can not be seen,its perceived just like a myth.
What appears to be freedom to @Muriel might not appear to @Swenani as freedom.
Freedom is a perception of convenience.A myth is a convenience for the unknown!
It is exactly because what is freedom to Muriel might not be so to Swenani that freedom can exist in insecurity. Yes, freedom can exist in prison. It is not a traditional convenience. It is the inconvenient reality. 
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