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maina20		#141 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:53:08 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 249 Location: nairobi		murchr wrote: Kenya Railways has now partnered with Double M - Public Service Vehicle operators to provide rail connect services to your destination. The rail connect buses will deliver you to Syokimau railway station from Mlolongo area, Syokimau, Athi River JKIA, and Kitengela. You can then board the train to town. Another flop....history repeating itself....Double M was partnered and even branded to provide connection from muthurwa stage to wherever....when muthurwa was the only stage for all mathree which ply Jogoo rd. How long did it last? it didnt make economic sense to them either.... its just another remedy to a symptom rather than the disease... ..desire to succeed is always fighting with fear of failure..
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mkeiyd		#142 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:25:09 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182		maina20 wrote: murchr wrote: Kenya Railways has now partnered with Double M - Public Service Vehicle operators to provide rail connect services to your destination. The rail connect buses will deliver you to Syokimau railway station from Mlolongo area, Syokimau, Athi River JKIA, and Kitengela. You can then board the train to town. Another flop....history repeating itself....Double M was partnered and even branded to provide connection from muthurwa stage to wherever....when muthurwa was the only stage for all mathree which ply Jogoo rd. How long did it last? it didnt make economic sense to them either.... its just another remedy to a symptom rather than the disease... I think it's good to first understand why the Muthurwa arrangement failed. That plan didn't fail coz it was unworkable,Double M were not protected from other competitors. If the ticketing takes in account of the passengers who'll need onward connection,the issue of competitors under charging will not arise and those passengers will be guaranteed of buses whenever they dis-embark from the train. That will call up for integrated payment system,with passengers using cards or coded tickets.
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Kausha		#143 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:49:49 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808		@maina, you are right, it's just another remedy to a symptom rather than the disease. The disease is the commuter rail system is a noble concept but in syokimau's case has been poorly executed. The previous transport train originated from athiriver, stopped at mlolongo, industrial area and railway station. This schedule has to be the spine of this syokimau route for success. Secondly the station is poorly positioned. Among other things it requires a pedestrian crossing from the other side which has allthe residential clusters. Security is required It also has to be an end to end service with stations built across the route and lastly a schedule has to be maintained and its integrity guaranteed in the same way airlines operate otherwise this is a waste of public funds with minimal value accruing to the public!
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Impunity		#144 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:31:02 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada		nakujua wrote: Impunity wrote: Money Whisperer wrote: Kausha wrote: ..decent commuter trains use electricity from the mains... These are run with electricity generated from nuclear energy Not always, only a small percentage of worldwide electric trains use energy generated from Nuclear energy. For instance Venezuela use diesel powered thermal electric power plants to produce electricity for the national grid, the grid electricity which is used to run the country's electric trains. The last time I checked,Venezuela had no single nuclear power plant. The dirty engines you see pulling the Syokimau express are all electric trains, only that they are kind of self contained, producing their own electricity from huge diesel fired internal combustion engines, they dont draw electric power from the the grid. So for your information Kenya has electric trains. Cheka tu lakini you must know that Kenya started using electric trains sometime back in early 70s when steam engines were being retired srore. Ignorant people especially in wazua think that when the Syokimau express billows blackest smoke then its not an electric train, no it is; the engine is however not tuned properly. Last summer I used Amtrak and could imagine the loco was burning diesel, the exhaust was clearer than the shoot of most of you here. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Pesa Nane		#145 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:46:15 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c		maina20 wrote: murchr wrote: Kenya Railways has now partnered with Double M - Public Service Vehicle operators to provide rail connect services to your destination. The rail connect buses will deliver you to Syokimau railway station from Mlolongo area, Syokimau, Athi River JKIA, and Kitengela. You can then board the train to town. Another flop....history repeating itself....Double M was partnered and even branded to provide connection from muthurwa stage to wherever....when muthurwa was the only stage for all mathree which ply Jogoo rd. How long did it last? it didnt make economic sense to them either.... its just another remedy to a symptom rather than the disease... Fares Halved to save Syokimau Train Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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InnovateGuy		#146 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:05:04 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110		KRC made a bold move by reducing the fare by 50 %. They just realised their mistake and made remedy. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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poundfoolish		#147 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:58:18 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi		To all the proponents.. Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right.. Good idea, bad planning and implementation...... HA!
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Wakandi		#148 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:49:44 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 2/5/2007 Posts: 332		poundfoolish wrote: To all the proponents.. Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right.. Good idea, bad planning and implementation...... HA! Wait until the day the JKIA turn off-Rironi construction begins, people will go running to the train!
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jamplu		#149 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:26:58 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai		Wakandi wrote: poundfoolish wrote: To all the proponents.. Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right.. Good idea, bad planning and implementation...... HA! Wait until the day the JKIA turn off-Rironi construction begins, people will go running to the train! City Council will also soon be increasing parking fee you will beg for more trains
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Pesa Nane		#150 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:35:58 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c		jamplu wrote: Wakandi wrote: poundfoolish wrote: To all the proponents.. Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right.. Good idea, bad planning and implementation...... HA! Wait until the day the JKIA turn off-Rironi construction begins, people will go running to the train! City Council will also soon be increasing parking fee you will beg for more trains Uptake of the service should not be based on threats. Make it ATTRACTIVE (convenience, value for money, enjoyable, appealing....) Go back to the drawing board!! Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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