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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
sparkly
#14331 Posted : Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:17:58 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
What the heck?
Another 5bn?
Waste of money.

Money is for;
Completing scheduled engine overhaul programme on E190 embraer fleet
Fund general working capital requirement
Yaani, those E190s aren't generating enough to pay for the engine overhauls? And the "general WC" requirement is as good as saying that it will be used to cover losses.

That 5bn loan will be "converted" in equity in a negative equity firm. Taxpayers are being hosed down.

Exercise caution in dealing with KQ shares
You should help out KQ by lending it lots of money Laughing out loudly


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passiveinvestor
#14332 Posted : Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:52:04 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/8/2006
Posts: 104
Ebenyo wrote:
Going by KQ latest audited numbers I wonder how Gok will pay shareholders kshs 8 per share.

KQ assets-kshs 136,634,000,000

kq debts-kshs 139,127,000,000

kq shareholders funds-kshs (2,493,000,000)

This means every KQ shareholder is holding a worthless share worth kshs -0.4
Even the current market price of kshs 2 is indeed a premium.

So how does Gok buy a company worth negative 0.4 per share for kshs 8 per share? or which metrics will be used?
Gok will have to fork out kshs 45 billion to buy kq shareholders at kshs 8 per share.This will be a huge generous offe

Thanks for asking a basic question that no-one has been able to answer. With the new KES5Bn injection approved on Friday, 28th Feb and a weekend of silence, so no chance to trade, Shareholders will be wiped out on Monday. Especially if it convertible debt with a strike price.
KQ is now a govt. parastatal.
Ericsson
#14333 Posted : Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:28:38 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
passiveinvestor wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Going by KQ latest audited numbers I wonder how Gok will pay shareholders kshs 8 per share.

KQ assets-kshs 136,634,000,000

kq debts-kshs 139,127,000,000

kq shareholders funds-kshs (2,493,000,000)

This means every KQ shareholder is holding a worthless share worth kshs -0.4
Even the current market price of kshs 2 is indeed a premium.

So how does Gok buy a company worth negative 0.4 per share for kshs 8 per share? or which metrics will be used?
Gok will have to fork out kshs 45 billion to buy kq shareholders at kshs 8 per share.This will be a huge generous offe

Thanks for asking a basic question that no-one has been able to answer. With the new KES5Bn injection approved on Friday, 28th Feb and a weekend of silence, so no chance to trade, Shareholders will be wiped out on Monday. Especially if it convertible debt with a strike price.
KQ is now a govt. parastatal.

@Obiero say something as concerning the above
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
passiveinvestor
#14334 Posted : Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:53:09 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/8/2006
Posts: 104
the deal wrote:
littledove wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
RIEK01 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Nationalization to kick off on December 20th



Source?

Citizen news yesterday


https://www.businessdail...49562-5wj445/index.html

The Treasury has announced plans to buy out Air France-KLM, local banks and more than 80, 000 individual shareholders from Kenya Airways and delist the national carrier from the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE)

Transport Principal Secretary Esther Koimett told Parliament on Thursday that the buyout plan comes after the House voted in July to nationalise Kenya Airways to save it from mounting debts.

The Transport ministry is working with the International Finance Corporation (IFC) to hire a technical expert to conduct a fresh valuation and buying price.


Good news...hope this expert remembers us...
@the Deal, these "experts'" mandate is to do their employer's bidding. If they are hired by the Government, their job is to do whatever it takes to facilitate:
1. The goal of implementing State Control
2. The goal of keeping planes in the air
Neither of this has ANYTHING to do with Shareholders.
- Debt holders can attach planes, cut off fuel supplies, etc
- Employees can strike
- One class of employees, Pilots, can cripple an airline instantly via wildcat strikes.
- Shareholders can complain on message boards and run to court. (They can't ask the courts to stop flights, or fire management without further destroying the company)
Shareholders are now irrelevant from a stakeholder perspective.
Not critiquing anyone who holds the shares (and I don't). Just placing things in sharp relief.



VituVingiSana
#14335 Posted : Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:30:01 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
passiveinvestor wrote:
the deal wrote:
littledove wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
RIEK01 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Nationalization to kick off on December 20th



Source?

Citizen news yesterday


https://www.businessdail...49562-5wj445/index.html

The Treasury has announced plans to buy out Air France-KLM, local banks and more than 80, 000 individual shareholders from Kenya Airways and delist the national carrier from the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE)

Transport Principal Secretary Esther Koimett told Parliament on Thursday that the buyout plan comes after the House voted in July to nationalise Kenya Airways to save it from mounting debts.

The Transport ministry is working with the International Finance Corporation (IFC) to hire a technical expert to conduct a fresh valuation and buying price.


Good news...hope this expert remembers us...
@the Deal, these "experts'" mandate is to do their employer's bidding. If they are hired by the Government, their job is to do whatever it takes to facilitate:
1. The goal of implementing State Control
2. The goal of keeping planes in the air
Neither of this has ANYTHING to do with Shareholders.
- Debt holders can attach planes, cut off fuel supplies, etc
- Employees can strike
- One class of employees, Pilots, can cripple an airline instantly via wildcat strikes.
- Shareholders can complain on message boards and run to court. (They can't ask the courts to stop flights, or fire management without further destroying the company)
Shareholders are now irrelevant from a stakeholder perspective.
Not critiquing anyone who holds the shares (and I don't). Just placing things in sharp relief.
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#14336 Posted : Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:59:44 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
passiveinvestor wrote:
the deal wrote:
littledove wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
RIEK01 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Nationalization to kick off on December 20th



Source?

Citizen news yesterday


https://www.businessdail...49562-5wj445/index.html

The Treasury has announced plans to buy out Air France-KLM, local banks and more than 80, 000 individual shareholders from Kenya Airways and delist the national carrier from the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE)

Transport Principal Secretary Esther Koimett told Parliament on Thursday that the buyout plan comes after the House voted in July to nationalise Kenya Airways to save it from mounting debts.

The Transport ministry is working with the International Finance Corporation (IFC) to hire a technical expert to conduct a fresh valuation and buying price.


Good news...hope this expert remembers us...
@the Deal, these "experts'" mandate is to do their employer's bidding. If they are hired by the Government, their job is to do whatever it takes to facilitate:
1. The goal of implementing State Control
2. The goal of keeping planes in the air
Neither of this has ANYTHING to do with Shareholders.
- Debt holders can attach planes, cut off fuel supplies, etc
- Employees can strike
- One class of employees, Pilots, can cripple an airline instantly via wildcat strikes.
- Shareholders can complain on message boards and run to court. (They can't ask the courts to stop flights, or fire management without further destroying the company)
Shareholders are now irrelevant from a stakeholder perspective.
Not critiquing anyone who holds the shares (and I don't). Just placing things in sharp relief.
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

80,000 shareholders may not be as irrelevant as imagined

KQ ABP 4.26
VituVingiSana
#14337 Posted : Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:16:02 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
passiveinvestor wrote:
the deal wrote:
littledove wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
RIEK01 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Nationalization to kick off on December 20th



Source?

Citizen news yesterday


https://www.businessdail...49562-5wj445/index.html

The Treasury has announced plans to buy out Air France-KLM, local banks and more than 80, 000 individual shareholders from Kenya Airways and delist the national carrier from the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE)

Transport Principal Secretary Esther Koimett told Parliament on Thursday that the buyout plan comes after the House voted in July to nationalise Kenya Airways to save it from mounting debts.

The Transport ministry is working with the International Finance Corporation (IFC) to hire a technical expert to conduct a fresh valuation and buying price.


Good news...hope this expert remembers us...
@the Deal, these "experts'" mandate is to do their employer's bidding. If they are hired by the Government, their job is to do whatever it takes to facilitate:
1. The goal of implementing State Control
2. The goal of keeping planes in the air
Neither of this has ANYTHING to do with Shareholders.
- Debt holders can attach planes, cut off fuel supplies, etc
- Employees can strike
- One class of employees, Pilots, can cripple an airline instantly via wildcat strikes.
- Shareholders can complain on message boards and run to court. (They can't ask the courts to stop flights, or fire management without further destroying the company)
Shareholders are now irrelevant from a stakeholder perspective.
Not critiquing anyone who holds the shares (and I don't). Just placing things in sharp relief.
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

80,000 shareholders may not be as irrelevant as imagined
The % of shareholding aka votes counts. Kelele ya chura does not.

BUT we will "Watch and Learn" Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#14338 Posted : Sunday, March 01, 2020 11:56:51 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
https://www.businessdail...474460-lahnbm/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
nairobby
#14339 Posted : Monday, March 02, 2020 9:04:38 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 1/18/2019
Posts: 185
Location: kenya
passiveinvestor wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Going by KQ latest audited numbers I wonder how Gok will pay shareholders kshs 8 per share.

KQ assets-kshs 136,634,000,000

kq debts-kshs 139,127,000,000

kq shareholders funds-kshs (2,493,000,000)

This means every KQ shareholder is holding a worthless share worth kshs -0.4
Even the current market price of kshs 2 is indeed a premium.

So how does Gok buy a company worth negative 0.4 per share for kshs 8 per share? or which metrics will be used?
Gok will have to fork out kshs 45 billion to buy kq shareholders at kshs 8 per share.This will be a huge generous offe

Thanks for asking a basic question that no-one has been able to answer. With the new KES5Bn injection approved on Friday, 28th Feb and a weekend of silence, so no chance to trade, Shareholders will be wiped out on Monday. Especially if it convertible debt with a strike price.
KQ is now a govt. parastatal.


If the banks are getting bought out at 8.25 there's a chance @obiero and his mates will also be bought out at the same price since all shares rank pari passu.

Wouldn't it be complicated to buy out different shareholders with the same class of shares at different price points?

This is a gamble of a lifetime however, we'll be here to monitor some people's blood pressure Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
nairobby
#14340 Posted : Monday, March 02, 2020 9:07:47 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 1/18/2019
Posts: 185
Location: kenya
passiveinvestor wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Going by KQ latest audited numbers I wonder how Gok will pay shareholders kshs 8 per share.

KQ assets-kshs 136,634,000,000

kq debts-kshs 139,127,000,000

kq shareholders funds-kshs (2,493,000,000)

This means every KQ shareholder is holding a worthless share worth kshs -0.4
Even the current market price of kshs 2 is indeed a premium.

So how does Gok buy a company worth negative 0.4 per share for kshs 8 per share? or which metrics will be used?
Gok will have to fork out kshs 45 billion to buy kq shareholders at kshs 8 per share.This will be a huge generous offe

Thanks for asking a basic question that no-one has been able to answer. With the new KES5Bn injection approved on Friday, 28th Feb and a weekend of silence, so no chance to trade, Shareholders will be wiped out on Monday. Especially if it convertible debt with a strike price.
KQ is now a govt. parastatal.


If the banks are getting bought out at 8.25 there's a chance @obiero and his mates will also be bought out at the same price since all shares rank pari passu.

Wouldn't it be complicated to buy out different shareholders with the same class of shares at different price points?

This is a gamble of a lifetime however, we'll be here to monitor some people's blood pressure Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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