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Rank: Member Joined: 12/1/2007 Posts: 539 Location: Nakuru
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I see a lot of correlation=causality in these arguments For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/21/2015 Posts: 151
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mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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mlennyma wrote:AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 You are forgetting when KCB was at 60, NIC was at 70+ relax!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,544 Location: nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:mlennyma wrote:AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 You are forgetting when KCB was at 60, NIC was at 70+ relax!!! The current ‘rally’ shall injure some.. Look at it, why would a share trade at higher value with flat or even worse decline in both NII & PBT.. The NFI game is heating up and so far Safaricom is king. Banks valuations are largely false right now, across the tiers HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,544 Location: nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:mlennyma wrote:AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 You are forgetting when KCB was at 60, NIC was at 70+ relax!!! The current ‘rally’ shall injure some.. Look at it, why would a share trade at higher value with flat or even worse decline in both NII & PBT.. The NFI game is heating up and so far Safaricom is king. Banks valuations are largely false right now, across the tiers HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:mlennyma wrote:AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 You are forgetting when KCB was at 60, NIC was at 70+ relax!!! The current ‘rally’ shall injure some.. Look at it, why would a share trade at higher value with flat or even worse decline in both NII & PBT.. The NFI game is heating up and so far Safaricom is king. Banks valuations are largely false right now, across the tiers Agreed. Those chasing prices are headed for extremely choppy waters. The guys who bought financials as a fear play during the rate cap sell-off have made a pretty penny. Extrapolating that rally to the period after the rate cap is lifted is erroneous. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,544 Location: nairobi
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lochaz-index wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:mlennyma wrote:AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 You are forgetting when KCB was at 60, NIC was at 70+ relax!!! The current ‘rally’ shall injure some.. Look at it, why would a share trade at higher value with flat or even worse decline in both NII & PBT.. The NFI game is heating up and so far Safaricom is king. Banks valuations are largely false right now, across the tiers Agreed. Those chasing prices are headed for extremely choppy waters. The guys who bought financials as a fear play during the rate cap sell-off have made a pretty penny. Extrapolating that rally to the period after the rate cap is lifted is erroneous. Erroneous and suicidal at the same damn time HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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NASI hit an all time high yesterday at 186.6 with the NSE20 checking in at 3840 inches below a critical resistance point @3850. I think we have attained the March high as previously alluded to. Don't see much upside from here. Calling for a top. Bulls should get concerned if the downleg breaches 3450. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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lochaz-index wrote:NASI hit an all time high yesterday at 186.6 with the NSE20 checking in at 3840 inches below a critical resistance point @3850. I think we have attained the March high as previously alluded to. Don't see much upside from here. Calling for a top. Bulls should get concerned if the downleg breaches 3450. I have a feeling backed by instinct 2018 will be good for many stocks "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,119 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:mlennyma wrote:AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 You are forgetting when KCB was at 60, NIC was at 70+ relax!!! The current ‘rally’ shall injure some.. Look at it, why would a share trade at higher value with flat or even worse decline in both NII & PBT.. The NFI game is heating up and so far Safaricom is king. Banks valuations are largely false right now, across the tiers Ignore the share prices for the discussion below. I expect most (not all eg NBK) banks will have a better 2018 and a solid 2019 as far as the EPS/PAT is concerned and NPLs:Loans ratio will start dropping. CETERIS PARIBUS. Ironically, the "horrible" interest rate caps and IFRS 9 forced banks to re-look at their loans/borrowers/systems and adjustments were made. Banks are more judicious about lending (KYC, credit scoring), have invested a lot more in (safe but high yielding) GoK paper, reduced overheads (closed branches) and systems/processes are being improved to reduce costs. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,544 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:mlennyma wrote:AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 You are forgetting when KCB was at 60, NIC was at 70+ relax!!! The current ‘rally’ shall injure some.. Look at it, why would a share trade at higher value with flat or even worse decline in both NII & PBT.. The NFI game is heating up and so far Safaricom is king. Banks valuations are largely false right now, across the tiers Ignore the share prices for the discussion below. I expect most (not all eg NBK) banks will have a better 2018 and a solid 2019 as far as the EPS/PAT is concerned and NPLs:Loans ratio will start dropping. CETERIS PARIBUS. Ironically, the "horrible" interest rate caps and IFRS 9 forced banks to re-look at their loans/borrowers/systems and adjustments were made. Banks are more judicious about lending (KYC, credit scoring), have invested a lot more in (safe but high yielding) GoK paper, reduced overheads (closed branches) and systems/processes are being improved to reduce costs. Without lending banks are not going to report decent increase in profitability.. The GoK paper investments are shortism measures HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,119 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:mlennyma wrote:AndyC wrote:mlennyma wrote:Bank stocks have so far made people smile,the narrative here was bank stocks won't do well,wazua can be misleading if you take words like law Some bank stocks. Is there anything to smile about in NIC, NBK and StanChart? Nic is next wait for 45-50 You are forgetting when KCB was at 60, NIC was at 70+ relax!!! The current ‘rally’ shall injure some.. Look at it, why would a share trade at higher value with flat or even worse decline in both NII & PBT.. The NFI game is heating up and so far Safaricom is king. Banks valuations are largely false right now, across the tiers Ignore the share prices for the discussion below. I expect most (not all eg NBK) banks will have a better 2018 and a solid 2019 as far as the EPS/PAT is concerned and NPLs:Loans ratio will start dropping. CETERIS PARIBUS. Ironically, the "horrible" interest rate caps and IFRS 9 forced banks to re-look at their loans/borrowers/systems and adjustments were made. Banks are more judicious about lending (KYC, credit scoring), have invested a lot more in (safe but high yielding) GoK paper, reduced overheads (closed branches) and systems/processes are being improved to reduce costs. Without lending banks are not going to report decent increase in profitability.. The GoK paper investments are shortism measures That's OK in an uncertain environment. If a bank perceives lending to non-GoK institutions is riskier on a risk adjusted basis then it should continue lending to GoK. When Wanjiku's risk-adjusted return [including fees and commissions] > GoK then start lending to Wanjiku. We often do the same in our investments. When we think we can get more from T-Bonds/Bills vs investing in stocks/land/business, we do so. When we see a possibility of stocks outperforming other assets, we shift our resources. In an uncertain environment, a bank's primary goal should be to PRESERVE customer deposits... A bank can risk its own funds but should be prudent with depositors' funds. Banks continued judicious lending to "Wanjiku" since she provides other sources of income eg commitment fees, trade finance fees, fees on debit cards, fees on all sorts of other services, etc. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,596
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lochaz-index wrote:NASI hit an all time high yesterday at 186.6 with the NSE20 checking in at 3840 inches below a critical resistance point @3850. I think we have attained the March high as previously alluded to. Don't see much upside from here. Calling for a top. Bulls should get concerned if the downleg breaches 3450. The macros point to different scenarios. CBK is pushing hard on monetary easing with all the risks. Treasury pushing on the fiscal consolidation while reforming the rate cap. Let's wait and see if the bulls will refuse.
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mnandii wrote:mnandii wrote:Safaricom. Circle wave ((iii)) ended at about 30.00. Expecting a correction for circle wave ((iv)) to level targets 24.80s and 23.00s . Thereafter a move above 30.00s to complete circle wave ((v)). Quote:The Safaricom share that has recently hit highs of Sh30 at the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE) retains a double-digit percentage upside on the back of expected revenue growth from mobile money and data, analysts at ABC Capital say in a new note.
The investment bank estimates a forward fair value price of up to Sh35 for the stock, which at a price of Sh29 last week would represent a premium of 20.7 per cent.
ABC estimates that by 2020, M-Pesa could rise above voice to be the largest source of revenue for the telco, whose net profit for the six months ended September 2017 grew by 9.5 per cent to Sh26.2 billion. BD LINKThese out of the world projections always come near the end of major bull markets. Strong projections for Safcom are now happening just when it is about to face a major bear market since its listing. Well, Safaricom split isn't happening, at least not the way most imagined. T-Kash is another way to slice it up. Safcom could be on its last bull run for a while Do it today! Tomorrow is promise to no-one.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/30/2016 Posts: 332 Location: Kayole
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@mnandii, any chart patterns to trade on next week? #aftereasterspending KEGN, KPLC, KQ, SCOM
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,596
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wukan wrote:lochaz-index wrote:NASI hit an all time high yesterday at 186.6 with the NSE20 checking in at 3840 inches below a critical resistance point @3850. I think we have attained the March high as previously alluded to. Don't see much upside from here. Calling for a top. Bulls should get concerned if the downleg breaches 3450. The macros point to different scenarios. CBK is pushing hard on monetary easing with all the risks. Treasury pushing on the fiscal consolidation while reforming the rate cap. Let's wait and see if the bulls will refuse. The bulls refused. Nairobi 20 decreased 26 points or 0.69% to 3745 on Wednesday April 18 from 3771. 3676 is the area to watch next. Safaricom is taking us gently down the stream
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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wukan wrote:wukan wrote:lochaz-index wrote:NASI hit an all time high yesterday at 186.6 with the NSE20 checking in at 3840 inches below a critical resistance point @3850. I think we have attained the March high as previously alluded to. Don't see much upside from here. Calling for a top. Bulls should get concerned if the downleg breaches 3450. The macros point to different scenarios. CBK is pushing hard on monetary easing with all the risks. Treasury pushing on the fiscal consolidation while reforming the rate cap. Let's wait and see if the bulls will refuse. The bulls refused. Nairobi 20 decreased 26 points or 0.69% to 3745 on Wednesday April 18 from 3771. 3676 is the area to watch next. Safaricom is taking us gently down the stream Market correction across all counters apart from a few which are resisting Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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Ericsson wrote:wukan wrote:wukan wrote:lochaz-index wrote:NASI hit an all time high yesterday at 186.6 with the NSE20 checking in at 3840 inches below a critical resistance point @3850. I think we have attained the March high as previously alluded to. Don't see much upside from here. Calling for a top. Bulls should get concerned if the downleg breaches 3450. The macros point to different scenarios. CBK is pushing hard on monetary easing with all the risks. Treasury pushing on the fiscal consolidation while reforming the rate cap. Let's wait and see if the bulls will refuse. The bulls refused. Nairobi 20 decreased 26 points or 0.69% to 3745 on Wednesday April 18 from 3771. 3676 is the area to watch next. Safaricom is taking us gently down the stream Market correction across all counters apart from a few which are resisting These rock and roll type of rallies don't last long. Remember the one in 2010 after GFC...hard and fast...I tried chasing prices but couldn't then came the drop soon after. This one had all the characteristics of the 2010 rally down to a tee. Felt toppish after the August top which was followed by a consolidation (for six months) then the bottom falls out. Not to mention the bull was mainly pushed by banking stocks plus safaricom and all had heavy legs. Waiting to see how deep the correction will be which is mostly going to be determined by the severity of the fiscal crisis. ION, 10yr UST is about to vault past the 3% mark, KES touched sub-100 intra-day(with a record reserve ammo to boot), crude is toppish at >$70pb and the USD is just coming out of a multi-year low. Reversals abound. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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