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Kplc restructure plan out
Aguytrying
#261 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 10:12:15 AM
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If by chance it goes to sub 22 level(assuming premium at 3 bob), theres even no need of getting ones hands dirty with the rights, just go all out on the share. esp for ppl not holding any shares at the moment.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#262 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 10:34:40 AM
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2012 wrote:
Wiztec wrote:
Actually 20! its already trading at 24.75 pathetic share


And don't forget that @ 24.75 I will have more shares when than I'd have gotten thru the rights issue but I'll wait for it to go lower. I'm so happysmile

@2012, u seem to have gotten it right on KPLC! Werent u the one who picked it at 205 just b4 the whole rights thingie was approved.
U r the KPLC guru, atleast a s far as price prediction goes!
@SufficientlyP
stocksmaster
#263 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 10:45:13 AM
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guru267 wrote:
stocksmaster wrote:

Trust me guru267, the KPLC Share will soon be available at a price below Ksh 200 (post split Ksh 25).


@stocksmaster looks like MR. market did not agree smile


@ guru267: A price below Ksh 25 is now available.

The fall is also being fuelled by the negative KPLC story in todays Business Daily.

Happy hunting.
mwanahisa
#264 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 10:47:44 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
I don't think this will last long. Prepare for the share to come down to the 27 - 30 range cum-rights and sub 25 after going ex-rights.

NB* Split shares have NOT been credited as yet. Guys are just trading the 1/8th currently available.


So far this is panning out exactly as predicted.

Average price for today already tending down towards 25. Last trade at 24.25. I expect the share to trade at levels between 22 - 25 for the duration of the rights issue unless or until we observe the government rights changing hands. The premium for the GOK rights will determine the price at which other folks will be willing to buy rights on the market and the ex-rights price of the share.

However, price will go up once the rights issue closes or if GOK rights are sold at a "high" premium. Short term traders should take positions if they can get in at the lower end of this trading range (22-23.50) to sell in late December/early January.

For long term holders anything below 25 seems like a reasonable buy, although I would hold on to see whether it can go lower.
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#265 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 11:12:20 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
I don't think this will last long. Prepare for the share to come down to the 27 - 30 range cum-rights and sub 25 after going ex-rights.

NB* Split shares have NOT been credited as yet. Guys are just trading the 1/8th currently available.


So far this is panning out exactly as predicted.

Average price for today already tending down towards 25. Last trade at 24.25. I expect the share to trade at levels between 22 - 25 for the duration of the rights issue unless or until we observe the government rights changing hands. The premium for the GOK rights will determine the price at which other folks will be willing to buy rights on the market and the ex-rights price of the share.

However, price will go up once the rights issue closes or if GOK rights are sold at a "high" premium. Short term traders should take positions if they can get in at the lower end of this trading range (22-23.50) to sell in late December/early January.

For long term holders anything below 25 seems like a reasonable buy, although I would hold on to see whether it can go lower.

so true, currently, no one is willing to bid at a premium of more than KES 3, i.e beyond KES 22.50!
I also agree with you that for the speculators, there's quite some money to be made between now and early Jan before the new shares are brought on board!
@SufficientlyP
Sober
#266 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 11:16:17 AM
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jerry wrote:
[quote=2012]You can now place your orders @ 20/-smile

At 10% drop per day, how long can it take to reach 20/=?[

remember that on Wednesday (1st December) the 10% rule will not apply.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Sober
#267 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 11:26:45 AM
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i am not sure of what to predict, my safest bet is to use the rights as a buffer, i will acquire as much as i can if it falls below 24.00 . am seeing a low of 22.50 KES per share. how is this possible considering it's not within the 10% rule at the NSE.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
youcan'tstopusnow
#268 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 12:00:11 PM
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This is increasingly starting to looking like the KCB rights issue. The chance of popping in and making at least 15% net in a month is tempting. Sober, I also didn't get the low of 22.50.
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
mwanahisa
#269 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 12:16:59 PM
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Sober wrote:
i am not sure of what to predict, my safest bet is to use the rights as a buffer, i will acquire as much as i can if it falls below 24.00 . am seeing a low of 22.50 KES per share. how is this possible considering it's not within the 10% rule at the NSE.


@Sober, A Veteran like you will probably know that the 10% rule is suspended when there is a significant announcement from the company or the nature of the share changes i.e. it goes ex-div, ex-split, ex-bonus, ex-rights etc.

Well, today is the first day that KPLC is trading ex-rights, so there you have it.
Wiztec
#270 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 12:34:04 PM
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May be i should have said pathetic loss for me, i made a rush buy at 27 yesterday well if i average with my existing shares its coming to 24. i would hav just been a little patient and bought the share today btw some people have purchased at 22.25, at such a price it beats the rights at 19.5. anyway i take heart that some people bought it at 30 oops
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#271 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 1:01:23 PM
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Wiztec wrote:
May be i should have said pathetic loss for me, i made a rush buy at 27 yesterday well if i average with my existing shares its coming to 24. i would hav just been a little patient and bought the share today btw some people have purchased at 22.25, at such a price it beats the rights at 19.5. anyway i take heart that some people bought it at 30 oops

Not true!The lowest buy so far today is 22.50, and only a handful have traded at this price, less than 5,000 shares.
I am on bid at 20.25 and if i get them, i'll just close shop and go for christmas, 10% in my pocket!
But its really a tall order, even 22.50 is proving to be!
@SufficientlyP
2012
#272 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 2:58:39 PM
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It was obvious this was going to happen since the Govt. is not taking up it's rights the wise thing to do is to push down the current mkt price so the rights can be at a price of btwn 0.20/- to 0.50/-. If the mkt price over 25/- the rights would trade btwn 1/- and 2/-.

BBI will solve it
:)
Aguytrying
#273 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 3:52:38 PM
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This is getting more interesting as it unfolds. What i want to know now is how much the rights will be going for? nobody knows this yet. Either way anybody buying the share for less than 22.00 is getting a real discount. if the rights trade at level the 2012 is saying(1-2 bob), this will be epic.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
2012
#274 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 4:31:25 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
This is getting more interesting as it unfolds. What i want to know now is how much the rights will be going for? nobody knows this yet. Either way anybody buying the share for less than 22.00 is getting a real discount. if the rights trade at level the 2012 is saying(1-2 bob), this will be epic.


If the mkt rate will be @22/- and below then the right should not go for more than 50cts.

BBI will solve it
:)
Aguytrying
#275 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 4:45:04 PM
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2012 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
This is getting more interesting as it unfolds. What i want to know now is how much the rights will be going for? nobody knows this yet. Either way anybody buying the share for less than 22.00 is getting a real discount. if the rights trade at level the 2012 is saying(1-2 bob), this will be epic.


If the mkt rate will be @22/- and below then the right should not go for more than 50cts.

I dont know if you're a prophet from God, but may it be so, amen.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
guru267
#276 Posted : Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:42:51 AM
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This KPLC thing is simply crazy... the share is at 24 with a low of 22.5 traded.. (Are you aware that is 180bob pre split)

This helps me a whole lot because I can now get the rights at a very low premium off the market...

But I hope guys know the bounce back from these levels after the restructuring will be equally extraordinary so you're best bet is to start buying now like crazy...

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Aguytrying
#277 Posted : Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:46:29 AM
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guru267 wrote:
This KPLC thing is simply crazy... the share is at 24 with a low of 22.5 traded.. (Are you aware that is 180bob pre split)

This helps me a whole lot because I can now get the rights at a very low premium off the market...

But I hope guys know the bounce back from these levels after the restructuring will be equally extraordinary so you're best bet is to start buying now like crazy...



Yep. The time is nigh. can't wait for wed(1st). To pounce on those rights. If they are going to be low like ppl are saying here......i dont even know. Its gonna be legen......(wait for it)..dary.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#278 Posted : Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:51:55 AM
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Forecast EPS for FY 2010-11 is 2.54 thus PER = 8. If the hydrology is good during 2011-12 then EPS for 2011-12 should be much better.
Comment: Moving away from hydropower [reduction of reliance on hydro + thermal] to geothermal is a long-term project.

There are some 'immediate' projects that will add to KPLC's profits within 12 months [FY 2011-12]. IRRs of 20%+
Comment: What were they waiting for? Banks would have lent for this!

200,000 customers to be recruited in 2010-11 though these are mostly low-middle income consumers. Many users on diesel-generators so potential customers like lodges, mining, etc.
Comment: Note there is SUPPRESSED demand i.e. KPLC can't supply the current needs thus brownouts + blackouts.

Construction remains 'booming' thus urban connections are doing OK as new shops, flats, malls, etc are connected. Connected to economic growth.
Comment: Sigh, true... I can't escape cranes & construction traffic in Nairobi!

Theft is a HUGE problem but KPLC is:
- installing 320,000 pre-paid meters. Mostly residential. Apparently, these are harder to tamper with.
- Less interaction of staff with consumers [staff 'misreading' meters] or making illegal connections.
- Huge improvements in cash flow as pre-paid model works better. Cash receipts easier to monitor.
- Step up mulika mwizi. New dry transformers. Security team.
- Ramp up fibre. Connect all major towns with fibre to monitor sub-stations. National Control Centre.
- GoK support vital. Cops cracking down on mungiki & friends.
- GoK banned copper exports thanks to KPLC lobbying. Fewer outlets for stolen copper.

Comment: Kenyans need to 'squeal' on these crooks. Education is important but I believe shooting a few crooks [public execution] is even better.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#279 Posted : Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:11:13 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Projected EPS for FY 2010-11 is 2.54 thus PER = 8...
If the hydrology is good during 2011-12 then EPS for 2011-12 should be much better...

There are some 'immediate' projects that will add to KPLC's profits within 12 months [FY 2011-12]. IRRs of 20%+

200,000 customers to be recruited in 2010-11 though these are mostly low-middle income consumers. Note there is SUPPRESSED demand i.e. KPLC can't supply the current needs thus brownouts + blackouts.

Construction remains 'booming' thus urban connections are doing OK as new shops, flats, malls, etc are connected. Connected to economic growth.

Theft is a HUGE problem but KPLC is:
- installing 320,000 pre-paid meters. Mostly residential. Apparently, these are harder to tamper with.
- Less interaction of staff with consumers [staff 'misreading' meters] or making illegal connections.
- Huge improvements in cash flow as pre-paid model works better. Cash receipts easier to monitor.
- Step up mulika mwizi. New dry transformers. Security team.
- Ramp up fibre. Connect all major towns with fibre to monitor sub-stations. National Control Centre.



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love this analysis.. since i keep away from bonds KPLC is like my 30 year bond yielding me no less than 6% per year
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
sheep
#280 Posted : Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:24:31 AM
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I dont get the fascination guys get with corporate action like rights issue....a sort of its my duty to participate etc....I say sell in the excitement ie(at 240 pre-split) and buy when the excitement levels off...there is a very long historical evidence that this is the right way to act.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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