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Co-operative Bank fate.. discuss
Othelo
#261 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 1:19:04 PM
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Very poor arrangement for people who deal in cash and bank daily. Before they know it, their deposits will be depleted smile
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PeterReborn
#262 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 1:25:09 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Absolutely true PeterReborn.
They are trying to boost profits by cost reduction instead of growing the loan book and giving good customer service that will keep customers running to and not away from the bank.
In 2014 they lost a huge chunk of customers to competitors like KCB

The core of any business process re-engineering or operational management change is customer service.Everything else comes second.If you are chasing away your customers and making it very difficult to transact with you then you can as well close your business!!
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MaichBlack
#263 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 1:58:06 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
As a shareholder and a customer of this bank,I am very disappointed with how they are implementing the whole agency banking concept.You cannot chase away customers who have come to a banking hall and tell them to go to deposit to the agents.You go to the agents who are either selling meat,hardware items or other items with no regard to customers who are coming to deposit the money.It is quite unfortunate and this will be the start of the downfall.Poor customer service.

Othelo wrote:
Very poor arrangement for people who deal in cash and bank daily. Before they know it, their deposits will be depleted smile

Don't they have "agents" inside the banking halls? An insider had told me some time back that some people/institutions - landlords, schools etc. - were rejecting deposit slips from agents and insisting clients deposit money in the bank directly. The bank then decided to have "agents" in the bank so that even if you deposit money in the bank or with an agent, there is no difference and this would save the agency banking. But at the time there was no plan to send anyone away from the bank with money! is that what is happening now!!??
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Ericsson
#264 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 2:00:44 PM
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A bank in need of fresh ideas and a new broom.If not careful it will go the barclays bank way.
Gideon time is up ama his tenure was renewed for another ten years
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subaru
#265 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 2:21:09 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
As a shareholder and a customer of this bank,I am very disappointed with how they are implementing the whole agency banking concept.You cannot chase away customers who have come to a banking hall and tell them to go to deposit to the agents.You go to the agents who are either selling meat,hardware items or other items with no regard to customers who are coming to deposit the money.It is quite unfortunate and this will be the start of the downfall.Poor customer service.

Othelo wrote:
Very poor arrangement for people who deal in cash and bank daily. Before they know it, their deposits will be depleted smile

Don't they have "agents" inside the banking halls? An insider had told me some time back that some people/institutions - landlords, schools etc. - were rejecting deposit slips from agents and insisting clients deposit money in the bank directly. The bank then decided to have "agents" in the bank so that even if you deposit money in the bank or with an agent, there is no difference and this would save the agency banking. But at the time there was no plan to send anyone away from the bank with money! is that what is happening now!!??



i got angered about that juala cash deposit thing later they forced us to deposit to agents inside the hall who had the capacity to tell me float imeisha i later deposited outside the bank they should know am not going back there
Othelo
#266 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 2:28:24 PM
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subaru wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
As a shareholder and a customer of this bank,I am very disappointed with how they are implementing the whole agency banking concept.You cannot chase away customers who have come to a banking hall and tell them to go to deposit to the agents.You go to the agents who are either selling meat,hardware items or other items with no regard to customers who are coming to deposit the money.It is quite unfortunate and this will be the start of the downfall.Poor customer service.

Othelo wrote:
Very poor arrangement for people who deal in cash and bank daily. Before they know it, their deposits will be depleted smile

Don't they have "agents" inside the banking halls? An insider had told me some time back that some people/institutions - landlords, schools etc. - were rejecting deposit slips from agents and insisting clients deposit money in the bank directly. The bank then decided to have "agents" in the bank so that even if you deposit money in the bank or with an agent, there is no difference and this would save the agency banking. But at the time there was no plan to send anyone away from the bank with money! is that what is happening now!!??



i got angered about that juala cash deposit thing later they forced us to deposit to agents inside the hall who had the capacity to tell me float imeisha i later deposited outside the bank they should know am not going back there

@MB, the agents are in the banking hall but they dont feel customers unlike bank staff. And when depositing large amounts of cash, the issue of 'sina float/float imeisha' keeps cropping up even in the banking hall. Not pleasant at all.

Partly we are also resisting change smile
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MaichBlack
#267 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 4:59:59 PM
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Ouch!!! "Sina float!" and you are inside the banking hall.

That might piss you off from here to timbuktu!!!
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Ericsson
#268 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 5:01:40 PM
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Ouch!!!Ouch!!! "Sina float!" and you are inside the banking hall.

banking taken to stoneage days
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#269 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 5:17:30 PM
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Shocked they could be doing that! I thought the guys receiving cash are staff!! I liked the cheque deposit system though
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FRM2011
#270 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 5:42:50 PM
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Just talked to an insider and apparently that was a key recommendation from the Mckinsey review.

The bank has made huge investments in technology but they are not getting the RoI from the same. Solution; throw atleast 50% of transactions to the alternative channels i.e. Atm, Internet, Mobile and agents.

Will be interesting to watch how this turns out seeing their customers are not amused by the new strategy.
obiero
#271 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 5:49:31 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Ouch!!!Ouch!!! "Sina float!" and you are inside the banking hall.

banking taken to stoneage days

The issue may just be a disgruntled manager at specific branches. Who is meant to avail the said float? The customer? Surely, running out of float in a bank!

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wazuaguest
#272 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 6:25:13 PM
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If there are guys milking Kenyan corporates its Mckinsey people.They just replicate this recommendations across a sector.
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murchr
#273 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 6:37:28 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Just talked to an insider and apparently that was a key recommendation from the Mckinsey review.

The bank has made huge investments in technology but they are not getting the RoI from the same. Solution; throw atleast 50% of transactions to the alternative channels i.e. Atm, Internet, Mobile and agents.

Will be interesting to watch how this turns out seeing their customers are not amused by the new strategy.


I agree they invested in technology, their ATMs can take cash deposits but they have never informed the public on the how to do it. I have had first hand bogus customer service at CO-op. I wanted to close an account that I had opened in my young years but I could not do it from any bank apart from that which I opened the account. These days my account lies domant with very minimal cash.
A relative was lured to the bank by an agent huko majuu, but after requesting them to facilitate CDSC with their EFT details, branch code, it took forever. The guy flew in for the holidays and decided to meet the diaspora banking team, he tried to reason wapi anyway, they (TITUS KOECH) later drafted the letter but sent it to CDSC without a signature and stamp (WTF), he gave up. Now the other day he calls to tell me that he received an email from the Diaspora Banking unit of Gulf African Bank..apparently some employee stole the email addresses an is luring people to the new bank. Iko shida hapa, very big.
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enyands
#274 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 7:36:55 PM
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I feel sorry for those agents at banking hall, was at coop bank tmall and saw the two ladies handling a huge bundle of cash exposed at the front desk, I know the risks involved carrying that huge cash in a simple till -money box. I witnessed mikora attacking us when we were tellers one day and we were behind those glass walls.i believe they need to offer protections for these agents.i asked one of the ladies about their safety but she said its God who protects.
VituVingiSana
#275 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 8:18:54 PM
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enyands wrote:
I feel sorry for those agents at banking hall, was at coop bank tmall and saw the two ladies handling a huge bundle of cash exposed at the front desk, I know the risks involved carrying that huge cash in a simple till -money box. I witnessed mikora attacking us when we were tellers one day and we were behind those glass walls.i believe they need to offer protections for these agents.i asked one of the ladies about their safety but she said its God who protects.

Jua Kali. This is why banks like BBK & SCBL still survive in Kenya. Professionalism. d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

It is risky for the agents. Nowadays the thugs kill. Are they insured? What happens if the thugs rob a customer too?
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whiteowl
#276 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 8:33:11 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Ouch!!! "Sina float!" and you are inside the banking hall.

That might poss you off from here to timbuktu!!!


wtf! they should just shut down the bank.
Ericsson
#277 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 9:31:40 PM
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The SACCOs majority shareholders in the bank won't agree.
What this banks needs like I always repeat is change of management.Gideon Muriuki's time in the bank is up;he has no new ideas to grow the bank to the next level.
If not careful he may be another Ciano;grow the company then finish it again.
problem is SACCOs are so unprofessionally run that the managers and not very keen on the on-goings within Co-op Bank.
CIC Insurance is on the right track while Co-op on the reverse yet they are tied to the hip
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enyands
#278 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 9:40:39 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
I feel sorry for those agents at banking hall, was at coop bank tmall and saw the two ladies handling a huge bundle of cash exposed at the front desk, I know the risks involved carrying that huge cash in a simple till -money box. I witnessed mikora attacking us when we were tellers one day and we were behind those glass walls.i believe they need to offer protections for these agents.i asked one of the ladies about their safety but she said its God who protects.

Jua Kali. This is why banks like BBK & SCBL still survive in Kenya. Professionalism. d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

It is risky for the agents. Nowadays the thugs kill. Are they insured? What happens if the thugs rob a customer too?



Most banks are busy out competing each other till they forget the fandamendos of banking industry -SAFETY. money safety, client safety,staff safety and integrity safety .
Aguytrying
#279 Posted : Monday, December 21, 2015 10:42:10 PM
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obiero wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
enyands wrote:
obiero wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY.

100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely


This is one stock that has no wing Though floated their shares on 2008 at a reasonable price of 9.i remember I bought a good chunk almost 8 years down the road and the best it can have is 18 which is twice the original price. Even when the bull came to mate it was just 22. If you compare this with other stock like kcb equity even diamond bank they have rallied and some even split their shares in that period since 2008.the bank seem to be doing well with excellent results but I don't know what that billionaire ceo tycoon is doing. who has an idea


You've got it right. that's why i don't like this stock. The reason is that it is bogged down by having too many shares with performance not matching up

Too many shares?? Compared to Equity??


Is the growth rate the same or better since coop listed? Hence performance not matching up.
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Ericsson
#280 Posted : Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:39:16 AM
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http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/weqssy/-/index.html



The Co-operative Bank was on Monday sued by a sacco for clearing and paying over Sh4 million through forged cheques against its account.

AAA Savings and Credit Co-operative Society has, through its lawyer C N Ngugi and Associates, filed a case at the Milimani Commercial Court, accusing the bank of causing it Sh4,046,600 loss by allowing the payment of 44 cheques against its account.

AAA claims that on diverse dates between June and September 2014, the bank, its agents, servants and employees without its authority, cleared and paid 44 forged cheques to various purported payees.

The bank debited the plaintiff’s account with various amounts of the said cheques.

According to AAA, the cheques had been stolen from a cheque book that had been issued by Co-op Bank. The book had forged signatures and therefore ought not have been cleared and paid, said the sacco.

The savings society says that the transactions were contrary and in disregard to the instruction/mandate issued by them to the lender.

The society, which runs a bank account with the bank, said that Co-op acted wrongly, negligently and recklessly by paying against the cheques that were signed by the wrong signatories.

According to the sacco, it had in letter dated January 2014 notified Co-op Bank of a change of signatories to its account pursuant to a resolution passed in meeting held on 12 of the same month.

The letter also notified the bank’s Nanyuki branch of the identity of the new signatories, as well as the signing instructions.

The letter also provided the defendant with the new signatories’ signature specimens, their designations and copies of their identity card numbers.

“The defendant failed to properly and diligently scrutinise signatures on the said cheques against signature specimens provided by the plaintiff when collecting and paying the cheques,” the suit reads.

AAA also accuses the bank of failing to make enquiries as an honest and reasonable bank would make in the circumstances.

The society now wants the court to make a judgment against the bank for the sum of Sh4,046,000 with the interest at the court rates.
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