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interesting double standard we have regarding treatment of theft.
blue collar crime - I am comfortable prescribing shoot to kill orders for this category of thugs since I do not want a direct threat to my person. (I know, typical Kenyan, only cares when you hit me where it hurts). If he's pulling off the Robin Hood thing of redistributing resources from rich corrupt people maybe I wouldn't mind him so much.
white collar crime involves theft on a much grander scale and has contributed to the state of the country's economy. When someone steals from public coffers, we get angry, discuss the event and move on without thinking the individuals behind it deserve capital punishment because there was no threat to a person. Thing is, these are the crimes that leave the country broke and contribute to the unemployment/ underemployment rate and rise in blue collar crime
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:So since thugs have killed less we need to let them room the streets to kill more in order to be at par with the police.
By the way police are allowed to kill under some circumstances ........ Reasonable force is something that's part of the law. So I will ask you in other terms, why is it reasonable for police to kill armed robbers and suspects even when they don't resist arrest?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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For Sport wrote:interesting double standard we have regarding treatment of theft.
blue collar crime - I am comfortable prescribing shoot to kill orders for this category of thugs since I do not want a direct threat to my person. (I know, typical Kenyan, only cares when you hit me where it hurts). If he's pulling off the Robin Hood thing of redistributing resources from rich corrupt people maybe I wouldn't mind him so much.
white collar crime involves theft on a much grander scale and has contributed to the state of the country's economy. When someone steals from public coffers, we get angry, discuss the event and move on without thinking the individuals behind it deserve capital punishment because there was no threat to a person. Thing is, these are the crimes that leave the country broke and contribute to the unemployment/ underemployment rate and rise in blue collar crime Spot on!  Those who steal from public coffers, the corrupt rich men, our leaders... who in turn arm twist the judiciary and the law enforcement, are the one who are " GUILTY OF NOT IDENTIFYING THE GUILTY"   I admire China. Even a minister is jailed for corruption 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:For Sport wrote:interesting double standard we have regarding treatment of theft.
blue collar crime - I am comfortable prescribing shoot to kill orders for this category of thugs since I do not want a direct threat to my person. (I know, typical Kenyan, only cares when you hit me where it hurts). If he's pulling off the Robin Hood thing of redistributing resources from rich corrupt people maybe I wouldn't mind him so much.
white collar crime involves theft on a much grander scale and has contributed to the state of the country's economy. When someone steals from public coffers, we get angry, discuss the event and move on without thinking the individuals behind it deserve capital punishment because there was no threat to a person. Thing is, these are the crimes that leave the country broke and contribute to the unemployment/ underemployment rate and rise in blue collar crime Spot on! Those who steal from public coffers, the corrupt rich men, our leaders... who in turn arm twist the judiciary and the law enforcement, are the one who are " GUILTY OF NOT IDENTIFYING THE GUILTY" I admire China. Even a minister is jailed for corruption I think you're being simplistic @AlphDoti just to support a part of your belief system. Consider this http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_China
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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tycho wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:So since thugs have killed less we need to let them room the streets to kill more in order to be at par with the police.
By the way police are allowed to kill under some circumstances ........ Reasonable force is something that's part of the law. So I will ask you in other terms, why is it reasonable for police to kill armed robbers and suspects even when they don't resist arrest? Because they will possibly buy their freedom and continue with thier robbing/killing spree. Remember a mom and 2 daughters that were killed by a suspect coz she gave evidence against him? He had threatened to kill her if he got bail and he went right ahead and did it. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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tycho wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:So since thugs have killed less we need to let them room the streets to kill more in order to be at par with the police.
By the way police are allowed to kill under some circumstances ........ Reasonable force is something that's part of the law. So I will ask you in other terms, why is it reasonable for police to kill armed robbers and suspects even when they don't resist arrest? ...Because Once apprehended and taken to Court, they (Thugs) will bribe, bail their way out and are back in the streets terrorizing citizens again..and the cycle continues. So why spare them. As someone said, as far as it was not mistaken identity, they should die a painful death - Probably have their balls crushed. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Euge wrote:tycho wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:So since thugs have killed less we need to let them room the streets to kill more in order to be at par with the police.
By the way police are allowed to kill under some circumstances ........ Reasonable force is something that's part of the law. So I will ask you in other terms, why is it reasonable for police to kill armed robbers and suspects even when they don't resist arrest? Because they will possibly buy their freedom and continue with thier robbing/killing spree. Remember a mom and 2 daughters that were killed by a suspect coz she gave evidence against him? He had threatened to kill her if he got bail and he went right ahead and did it. So extra judicial killings are reasonable before the law because the laws and institutions are incapable of upholding the law?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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tycho wrote:Euge wrote:tycho wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:So since thugs have killed less we need to let them room the streets to kill more in order to be at par with the police.
By the way police are allowed to kill under some circumstances ........ Reasonable force is something that's part of the law. So I will ask you in other terms, why is it reasonable for police to kill armed robbers and suspects even when they don't resist arrest? Because they will possibly buy their freedom and continue with thier robbing/killing spree. Remember a mom and 2 daughters that were killed by a suspect coz she gave evidence against him? He had threatened to kill her if he got bail and he went right ahead and did it. So extra judicial killings are reasonable before the law because the laws and institutions are incapable of upholding the law? I'd say, in certain circumstances, like the cases of terrorism suspects, yes it is reasonable and necessary.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Isn't this the same forum where members have been frothing in the mouth condemning the cold-blood killing of a young man by police in Missouri, US?
Anyway i have no problem with our police fighting crime within the law, but many times they seem to be 'experts in reading peoples' minds since they always gun down the suspects "when they are planning to commit a crime". Rarely do they shoot a criminal while he's committing a crime or after he has committed a crime, it's always before. This leaves very many innocent Kenyans very vulnerable to extra judicial killings.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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Wendz wrote:tycho wrote:Euge wrote:tycho wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:So since thugs have killed less we need to let them room the streets to kill more in order to be at par with the police.
By the way police are allowed to kill under some circumstances ........ Reasonable force is something that's part of the law. So I will ask you in other terms, why is it reasonable for police to kill armed robbers and suspects even when they don't resist arrest? Because they will possibly buy their freedom and continue with thier robbing/killing spree. Remember a mom and 2 daughters that were killed by a suspect coz she gave evidence against him? He had threatened to kill her if he got bail and he went right ahead and did it. So extra judicial killings are reasonable before the law because the laws and institutions are incapable of upholding the law? I'd say, in certain circumstances, like the cases of terrorism suspects, yes it is reasonable and necessary. Yes and that is why we have mob 'justice' In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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