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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:symbols wrote:John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. This verse is pure nonsense. Such a crock. This god guy seems to have so many issues. Did he have to have his son die so as to prove his love to us? What kind of warped reasoning is that? What does that prove other than showing how diabolical and acllous he is? Sacrificing his son? And he calls himself a loving god? Such crap. Another thing, isn't it dictatorial for him to say that unless we believe in him, we will perish? Can't we have a choice to believe in whatever and whoever else we want to without having an angry god burn us for not kissing his ass? Ati everlasting life. Why can't he just give everyone a good life while they are still here on earth? Do we have to wait until we die? Instead of protecting kids who were massacred in Garissa he is busy counting who is believing in him and who will perish. What an asshole god. Does he have a low self esteem that he has to be worshipped and be made to feel good about himself everytime? Do you religious people take time to rationalize these bible verses or you just blindly believe? Asking questions is the first step to being an independent thinker. These is one of the dumbest verses i have ever read and yet you people keep saying it like it's some eye opening advice. And for the record, when we die, we are dead meat, worm food, nobody resurrected. Your Jesus did not exist just like your god is imaginary and fictional. I feel sorry for you guys who can't reason. @hamburglar has a point this time. In fact, that verse has been removed from the Bible already and some people are still clinging to it like their lives depend on it   
BELOW AFTER THE SCHOLARS SAID THE WORDS WERE INTERPOLATIONS, INSERTIONS! @Alpha, yes, we still believe that Jesus was the Son of God and died for our sins. @Ham - I pray, that in your lifetime, some day, God will reveal Himself and you will proclaim that indeed, there is God.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:You see @muriel, Islam teaches us about how to go to war. When people go to war, islam teaches how to engage. It teaches soldiers not to kill women and children or the elderly or any innocent person. It teaches them if the enemy wants asylum (a refuge), then don't just let them go, escort them to a place of security!!! Mashallah! Which I asked you before, give me one generous army general today who will say let the enemy go? Which army general today will say escort the enemy to security that the Quran says? Or if they wish peace, we can sign a treaty with them to live with us in harmony without they disregarded the ties both of kinship and of covenant. @muriel, I know you will go round and round on this. But the beauty is: YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE READ THE VERSES, AND WHEN THEY READ THEY SEE THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM. FOR THAT i THANK YOU  Yes. In 2013, the Congolese army, led by a general whose name escapes me, together with the UN led an offensive against the M23 rebels in the east of the country. The rebels surrendered and signed a peace treatey at Mgahinga National Park in Uganda. They were escorted to places of safety in Rwanda and Uganda where they have not been prosecuted for the atrocities they did. It appears they are safe there. There is no credit to Islam and Muslims for this. Of course, my aim and object is to make people read the Qur'an for themselves. They should not rely on narratives from Imams and Sheikhs about how good and peaceful Islam is. After reading they will be in a better position to see for themselves if the 'religion of peace' is what it claims to be. I am not in the business of forcing conversions. What you take as my apparent defeat happens to be my victory. I don't know to congratulate you for that nice piece of infor. I will remember it for future reference  At least these people are reading the Quran. This instruction was given to the Muslims 1400 years ago!! We also have many Hadiths showing that prophet muhammad's prohibition against Killing Women and Children in Military Expeditions: " I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly." But does killing of women and children prohibited according to the Bible?1 Samuel 15:2,3: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " Numbers 31:17,18: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Deuteronomy 20:16: However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. The rebels are safe from prosecution. Of course you being familiar with killing with impunity identify with that situation hence your applause. Like the verse about treaty near the mosque, this is also a specific command to a specific battle. There is no indication that it was an overarching command to cover all battles in all ages. I know this because, the other verses about how polytheists and the 'disobedient' still stand. Allah does not suffer the 'disobedient' to live. Even Muslims who 'disobey' by converting to other religions are killed. Even Muslims who 'disobey' by having causal sex are killed. There is no safety from Allah. There is no safety in Islam. @muriel, As @guru told you before, in the Bible, God told to kill apostates and the law was accepted by Jesus Christ! Deuteronomy 13:7-11 If your brother, mother, son, daughter or wife leads you from The Lord God, you must PUT THEM TO DEATH.... You must KILL HIM with your own hand... You must STONE HIM TO DEATHAs she said, if you do not accept the laws of the God of Abraham, then never read that Bible again! Bible: 1 Samuel 15:2,3: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Now go, attack the Amalekites.. Do not spare them; PUT TO DEATH men and WOMEN, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and DONKEYS.'" Bible: Numbers 31:17,18: Now KILL ALL THE BOYS. And KILL EVERY WOMAN... but SAVE FOR YOURSELVES every GIRL... Bible: Deuteronomy 20:16: ..the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING that breathes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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@AlphDoti - Does that mean that the Jews and Christians should have killed 'prophet' Muhammad because he spoke to turn them away from Yahweh and into submission and worship of Allah? Deuteronomy 13:1-2 wrote:
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them
Deuteronomy 13:5 wrote:
And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
And what about the Muslims,should they be "put away from their midst"?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:@AlphDoti - Does that mean that the Jews and Christians should have killed 'prophet' Muhammad because he spoke to turn them away from Yahweh and into submission and worship of Allah? Deuteronomy 13:1-2 wrote:
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them
Deuteronomy 13:5 wrote:
And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
And what about the Muslims,should they be "put away from their midst"? You're clutching at straws  The dreamer preached that God is ONE. His religion is ONE. The religion of ALL prophets of God. The religion of Adam and Abraham and Jesus peace be upon them all. The Bible tells you that Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus were not Christians. You can't dispute that. But you can dispute about Christianity. The Bible says that Adam and Abraham and Jesus were not Christians because the word " CHRISTIAN" was FIRST used in Antioch five years AFTER Jesus ascended to heaven. So brother, there is no apostasy there about his "dreams"!The one who should have been put to death was the pagan, who persecuted Christians, and he was a cross and TRINITY worshiper who preached the eating of pork. His name is Paul!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/20/2015 Posts: 489 Location: Nairobi
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All of you, in my opinion, are very wrong. These Bible and Quran things were written by humans just like you and me to justify some actions. Why isnt God communicating to people to continue writing Bibles or Qurans? Islam and Christianity are like Jubilee and Cord, in the beginning they were one, but due to the need for more power and superiority, the rift emerged. My belief is this, God will have more mercy on an individual who doesnt visit the mosque or church but one who visits the sick, provides food to the poor, offers clothing to the naked, struggles to bring peace and whoever does good things. Regardless of your religion, you should always be doing things that influence the society in a positive way, worshiping on Sundays and watching as your fellow Kenyans die of hunger makes you look the devil himself. Being a christian, jew or muslim doesnt really matter to me. As long as you are working to better the lives of fellow humans, God will bless you. I try to help the poor whenever i can and God has been merciful to me even though i do not go to any church or mosque!! Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Allah is not Yahweh - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=651808#post651808
Muslims,following Muhammad's teachings,don't worship Yahweh. AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:@AlphDoti - Does that mean that the Jews and Christians should have killed 'prophet' Muhammad because he spoke to turn them away from Yahweh and into submission and worship of Allah? Deuteronomy 13:1-2 wrote:
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them
Deuteronomy 13:5 wrote:
And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
And what about the Muslims,should they be "put away from their midst"? You're clutching at straws The dreamer preached that God is ONE. His religion is ONE. The religion of ALL prophets of God. The religion of Adam and Abraham and Jesus peace be upon them all. The Bible tells you that Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus were not Christians. You can't dispute that. But you can dispute about Christianity. The Bible says that Adam and Abraham and Jesus were not Christians because the word " CHRISTIAN" was FIRST used in Antioch five years AFTER Jesus ascended to heaven. So brother, there is no apostasy there about his "dreams"!The one who should have been put to death was the pagan, who persecuted Christians, and he was a cross and TRINITY worshiper who preached the eating of pork. His name is Paul! As you attack the Bible you were quoting and Paul,confront the Islamic dilemma
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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jamplu wrote:...extremist just interpret these verses to justify the wrong they are doing and even the so called "teachers" the type of rogo know they are wrong in their interpretation of the Quran.
In all the battles that the Prophet fought there are no instance where there was deliberate attack on civilians please someone identify a single case if there is and let me know. The Jihad that these young people should be taught by their teachers is first a jihad with themselves to strive to make themselves better muslims before God not one that kills indiscriminately even in mosques. Why did he fight at all? Jesus Christ never fought
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2012 Posts: 180
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AlphDoti wrote:guru267 wrote:.jpg) Submit to the power of the one God as Christ always did! Muslims are guided by true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him. Quran 1:4 - (Oh Allah) You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help. Jesus (pbuh) said I and the Father are one, is like me saying me and @guru are one in this. Jesus (pbuh) did not mean they are the same thing "physically", but in mission. 1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Fatrher is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. 6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father. 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: doing God's Will Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim. Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. @ Alphadoti how about this verse : Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. (John 14:8-11 NIV) Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:All of you, in my opinion, are very wrong. These Bible and Quran things were written by humans just like you and me to justify some actions. Why isnt God communicating to people to continue writing Bibles or Qurans? Islam and Christianity are like Jubilee and Cord, in the beginning they were one, but due to the need for more power and superiority, the rift emerged.
My belief is this, God will have more mercy on an individual who doesnt visit the mosque or church but one who visits the sick, provides food to the poor, offers clothing to the naked, struggles to bring peace and whoever does good things. Regardless of your religion, you should always be doing things that influence the society in a positive way, worshiping on Sundays and watching as your fellow Kenyans die of hunger makes you look the devil himself. Being a christian, jew or muslim doesnt really matter to me. As long as you are working to better the lives of fellow humans, God will bless you.
I try to help the poor whenever i can and God has been merciful to me even though i do not go to any church or mosque!! Who told you those who go to Church/Mosque are not blessed? And you're contradicting yourself. How do you know that the God you are condemning will have mercy on an individual? Who told you that? Or you dreamt about it? You're about all people being equal. A black is not better than white, Arab is not better than non-Arab... the only thing that makes someone better is piety and good action. Read this last sermon given by The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)... here or hereOr listen to it here
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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AlphDoti wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:All of you, in my opinion, are very wrong. These Bible and Quran things were written by humans just like you and me to justify some actions. Why isnt God communicating to people to continue writing Bibles or Qurans? Islam and Christianity are like Jubilee and Cord, in the beginning they were one, but due to the need for more power and superiority, the rift emerged.
My belief is this, God will have more mercy on an individual who doesnt visit the mosque or church but one who visits the sick, provides food to the poor, offers clothing to the naked, struggles to bring peace and whoever does good things. Regardless of your religion, you should always be doing things that influence the society in a positive way, worshiping on Sundays and watching as your fellow Kenyans die of hunger makes you look the devil himself. Being a christian, jew or muslim doesnt really matter to me. As long as you are working to better the lives of fellow humans, God will bless you.
I try to help the poor whenever i can and God has been merciful to me even though i do not go to any church or mosque!! Who told you those who go to Church/Mosque are not blessed? And you're contradicting yourself. How do you know that the God you are condemning will have mercy on an individual? Who told you that? Or you dreamt about it? You're about all people being equal. A black is not better than white, Arab is not better than non-Arab... the only thing that makes someone better is piety and good action. Read this last sermon given by The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)... here or hereOr listen to it here Why soo bitter alpha? must everyone be muslim to be good/or relate to God?
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2012 Posts: 180
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AlphDoti wrote:guru267 wrote:Submit to the power of the one God as Christ always did! Muslims are guided by true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him. Quran 1:4 - (Oh Allah) You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help. Jesus (pbuh) said I and the Father are one, is like me saying me and @guru are one in this. Jesus (pbuh) did not mean they are the same thing "physically", but in mission. 1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Fatrher is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. 6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father. 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: doing God's Will Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim. Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. @ Alphadoti Jesus meant Him & the Father are one & he is God, because God is one. Otherwise why would he respond as follows; “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58 NIV) Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2012 Posts: 180
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AlphDoti wrote:jokes wrote:Siringi wrote:The title of this thread is a tad misleading while Ijumaa is the official day for obligatory congregational prayers ... Not exactly like Sabath ?....from Mr Google..... allow me to C&P.. "Muslims observe five formal prayers each day. The timings of these prayers are spaced fairly evenly throughout the day, so that one is constantly reminded of God and given opportunities to seek His guidance and forgiveness. Muslims observe the formal prayers at the following times: Fajr (pre-dawn): This prayer starts off the day with the remembrance of God; it is performed before sunrise. Dhuhr (noon): After the day's work has begun, one breaks shortly after noon to again remember God and seek His guidance. 'Asr (afternoon): In the late afternoon, people are usually busy wrapping up the day's work, getting kids home from school, etc. It is an important time to take a few minutes to remember God and the greater meaning of our lives. Maghrib (sunset): Just after the sun goes down, Muslims remember God again as the day begins to come to a close. 'Isha (evening): Before retiring for the night, Muslims again take time to remember God's presence, guidance, mercy, and forgiveness. In Muslim communities, people are reminded of the daily prayer times through the calling of the adhan. is there a standard prayer for each of this sessions?
what are the exact times to pray?
what are the body movements for? e.g touch the head, touch your face , ears etc? @jokes 1. Yes, there is a standard prayer for each session. Some two cycles, some three cycles, and others four cycles. Duas are also standard and there are for all occasions. 2. Times of prayer is time period, but for in jamaat (in congregation) is timed/exact to ensure people pray together in planned manner Morning prayer (fajr) - 5:00am ( period from 5:00 - 5:45) Afternoon prayer (dhur) - 1:15pm ( period from 1:15-4:00) Mid-afternoon (asr) - 4:15pm ( period from 4:15-5:00) Evening (maghrib) - 6:45pm ( period 6:45-7:30) Night prayer (isha) - 8:15pm ( period 8:15-4:00am)   3. Body movements? Standing, bowing, prostration and sitting. @ Alphadoti; your explanation above is similar to what a woman said to Jesus about how their religion prays. But Jesus corrected her & told her the only correct way to pray/worship. Unfortunately there was no emphasis on physical body maneuvers, but rather the emphasis is on the unseen aspect while praying. See the conversation below ; “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.” “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:19-24 NIV) Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Behemoth wrote:AlphDoti wrote:guru267 wrote:Submit to the power of the one God as Christ always did! Muslims are guided by true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him. Quran 1:4 - (Oh Allah) You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help. Jesus (pbuh) said I and the Father are one, is like me saying me and @guru are one in this. Jesus (pbuh) did not mean they are the same thing "physically", but in mission. 1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Fatrher is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. 6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father. 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: doing God's Will Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim. Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. @Alphadoti how about this verse : Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. (John 14:8-11 NIV) @Behemoth, thank you for asking. This was the answer given by Jesus peace be upon him (pbuh) when he was asked the way. Go one verse back, John 14:7, Jesus is telling his companions " if you had known me you would have known my father also." So from this, we understand what Jesus meant when he said that he was the way, the truth, and the light. He is saying whoever knows, obeys, and follows me knows and obeys God because it is He who sent me. This statement confirms what I listed above in my previous post where I said Jesus' statement applies to every Prophet and messenger because the Prophet is not following his own ideas, he is following the revelation of God. That way he becomes the way to God, and Light to God and eventually leading to Life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Behemoth wrote:AlphDoti wrote:guru267 wrote:Submit to the power of the one God as Christ always did! Muslims are guided by true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him. Quran 1:4 - (Oh Allah) You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help. Jesus (pbuh) said I and the Father are one, is like me saying me and @guru are one in this. Jesus (pbuh) did not mean they are the same thing "physically", but in mission. 1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Fatrher is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. 6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father. 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: doing God's Will Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim. Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. @ Alphadoti Jesus meant Him & the Father are one & he is God, because God is one. Otherwise why would he respond as follows; “ Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58 NIV) Before Abraham.... What about before Noah or before Adam! The above statement only shows that the Spirit of Jesus (pbuh) was created before Abraham which is no big deal for the Almighty. Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Been watching youtube clips by Ayaan hirsi Ali and finding alot of truths. Watch her arguments about islam not being a religion of peace and decide “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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In however much you will try to portray Islam to be a peaceful and good religion, i'd rather worship a cow or a stone carving facing a mountain rather than worship a god through a prophet that massacred so many innocent human beings. in responding to all these issues, you should ask yourself why Islam is the only religion that can be manipulated so easily to make extremists?????? all the other religions how comes the believers are not as indoctrinated as Muslims? if Islam never existed, the world would be very peaceful. Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:In however much you will try to portray Islam to be a peaceful and good religion, i'd rather worship a cow or a stone carving facing a mountain rather than worship a god through a prophet that massacred so many innocent human beings. in responding to all these issues, you should ask yourself why Islam is the only religion that can be manipulated so easily to make extremists?????? all the other religions how comes the believers are not as indoctrinated as Muslims? if Islam never existed, the world would be very peaceful. And the ignorant open their mouth again.... How many innocent people did the beloved Joshua massacre as he entered Jericho? How many innocent people did the beloved Moses massacre as he led his people to the "promised land"?? How many innocent people did the beloved David massacre as he defended his kingdom??? As for peaceful religions there is no religion to have ever existed that has caused more death than Christianity... The Roman Catholic Hitler massacred how many Jews again?? How many innocent people did the crusaders kill for not converting to Christianity?? Isn't the most wanted man globally is the leader of a Christian terrorist organization called the "Lord Resistance Army"?? NKT!! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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ngapat wrote:Been watching youtube clips by Ayaan hirsi Ali and finding alot of truths. Watch her arguments about islam not being a religion of peace and decide Propaganda from a misguided woman mistook Arab culture for Islam!   Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:In however much you will try to portray Islam to be a peaceful and good religion, i'd rather worship a cow or a stone carving facing a mountain rather than worship a god through a prophet that massacred so many innocent human beings. in responding to all these issues, you should ask yourself why Islam is the only religion that can be manipulated so easily to make extremists?????? all the other religions how comes the believers are not as indoctrinated as Muslims? if Islam never existed, the world would be very peaceful. And the ignorant open their mouth again.... How many innocent people did the beloved Joshua massacre as he entered Jericho? How many innocent people did the beloved Moses massacre as he led his people to the "promised land"?? How many innocent people did the beloved David massacre as he defended his kingdom??? As for peaceful religions there is no religion to have ever existed that has caused more death than Christianity... The Roman Catholic Hitler massacred how many Jews again?? How many innocent people did the crusaders kill for not converting to Christianity?? Isn't the most wanted man globally is the leader of a Christian terrorist organization called the "Lord Resistance Army"?? NKT!! John 16:1-4 wrote:
I have told you all this so that you will not turn away from the truth. You will be thrown out of the synagogue. In fact, the time is coming when someone may kill you. And they will think they are doing God a favor. They will do things like that because they do not know the Father or me. Why have I told you this? So that when their time comes, you will remember that I warned you about them. I didn’t tell you this from the beginning because I was with you.
Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote:Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.
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