there are people selling kirima land in njiiru claiming that kirima sold the land. is it true that kirima or his children sold the land?

@a4arch I think this is the irony of this thread, people do a search and the land is said to have a genuine title until the Lands office says it was grabbed and the title is fake. How do we guard against this govt orchestrated illegal grabbing and subsequent selling to unsuspecting public? Kanu did this routinely, remember Karura forest? Good luck fellow Kenyans!

@wa ithaka, i usually expect a higher level of intellectual discussion at wazua compared to the rest of the blogs eg mashada. Thats why i usually put complex logic for people whom i believe have the capacity to understand it compared to other forums. The reason why so many kenyans cant afford housing and prices are high is because we keep doing things the same way and expecting different results. Its high time kenyans tried to do things differently and emulate the likes of USA,Denmark,Ireland and China in respect to land ownership and usage. This is what i advocate for. To see this logic, you must first agree to research and think completely different in thought process. The logic i usually give here is for the benefit of most kenyans who still dont own property in Kenya. I already am a property owner so i would also like others to own property. Unfortunately, if kenyans continue not to engage deep logic in the issue of land, there is nothing much i can do to help them.Some of these logics seem controversial but if i dont give them across, who will? Let me simplify the logic again for you . Whichever way government land that is prime changes ownership from idle utilisation by govt to full utilisation by govt or private citizens, this land then goes ahead to contribute to the economy. If the said land continues to lie idle, you and me will have to pay more tax to sustain govt. I know it sounds basic but i now understand its quite hard for the average kenyan to see the link between idle land and fiscal economics of the country. Thats why investments in the kenyan real estatemarket make astronomical profits. I also invest in the same real estate, making the same super profits but i know deep down, one day, something will give in. Its in the hope that the next generation will be smart enough to see my logic and implement it in land policy to reduce poverty since in my generation, am now convinced very few people can make this link between land and fiscal economics.

Interesting debate but I would like to point out that the high land prices, as explained in Economics, are because the average Kenyan does not know or trust other investment modes. Its been explained that in developing nations, people prefer to own tangible assets that they can see and touch, this is especially true in countries with high levels of insecurity people prefer to own assets that they can quickly pick up and move with, thus why land (through ownership of title deeds) and cash are valued high. I don't know the statistics for say Somalia or Mali, but according to this hypothesis, land should be valued high there, atleast higher than stocks and intangible assets. But in the Kenyan case, Kenyans tend to have a herd mentality, and this may further and unnecessarily push up prices even higher.

Some of the things I'm reading here come straight from an Agatha Christie novel. A lot of heresay and no facts.

I will remain sincerely,

Mr. follow land laws as they are meant to be implemented. Any corruption should be looked at as economic terrorism.