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Mtu Biz wrote:Mukiri wrote:So you've tried everything.. and still feel something is missing. You work so hard, try so much, but you feel that all the effort you put in is not justly rewarded. Life to you should be much better.
There is great power to 'Come to me all ye who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest'. Imagine a 'peace that surpasses all understanding'.
Give God a try, what do you have to lose? @Mukiri and others of this persuasion.. Say i take your advice to 'Give God a try' how do you recommend that i go about doing this ? The bible commands that the Gospel be preached to all creatures. The Holy Spirit is responsible for the outcome of this preaching, but we try to do by the flesh what can only be done by the Holy Spirit. Find time to slowly Consider these scriptures Romans 8:8 Quote:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. 1 Corinthians 1 Quote:God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 1 Corinthians 1 Quote:26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[d] John 6 Quote:35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” Then again here Quote:43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Consider this discourse Paul has with the Romans Romans 8 Quote:11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— Tafakari haya kwa utulivu.. Go to a 'good' and reputable church, ask for a Pastor and/or the Bishop and have this discourse with him. You know not if I'm the devil or one of his agents; purporting to have a religious discussion with a faceless stranger over mass media is tantamount to spiritual suicide. A Church is a 'hospital' to the weary, a 'University' for those who seek wisdom etc etc. You'll find help there.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Exactly, Mtu Biz,
See, you are being referred to a 'good' and reputable church and to ask for a pastor.
I sincerly hope that that referral reflects on the 'pastor' referring you and the church he 'pastors'.
A church is two or more gathered in His name. Oh! What a sweet assurance.
A church is not a building where 'pastors' are found. It is not a 'hospital'. It is not a 'university'.
Denial of this fundamental truth that is so clearly explained in the bible and terming it spiritual suicide while supplying other definitions not found in the bible is horrible. Unthinkable. Satanic.
Heavy is the burden the human heart is willing, anxious, ready, desirous to bear just to avoid the light burden that is so freely offered.
They want to be the ones to choose God. In that first step they have already erred. They want to become christians on their own terms. Then they want to dictate their 'cut'. Their 'benefits'. Their 'privileges'. Their 'rights'.
Wanting nothing to do with certain truths, it is no wonder that the bible is made to conform to the inclinations of the heart rather than the heart made to conform to the bible.
Sad. Painful.
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@ Muriel I couldn't agree more. Most (not all) of what is known as Christianity today is rather strange. The scriptures are completely ignored, people throng 'churches' to pump their fists in the air to decree this and declare that... I heard a 'pastor' on TV one day say to his starry eyed audience that "You are about to enter a dimension where your prayers can no longer be ignored" which was responded to with a unanimous Amen and the more 'spiritual' of the group standing up with fist in the air and Bible in hand. Whatever happened to Thy will be done ? Which god is this that exists to at our disposal? awaiting our next instruction or decree to immediately execute it? Certainly not the God of the Bible. The Bible teaches that God does ALL THINGS to his own ends, even the wicked for a day of disaster. The Bible teaches that God does ALL THINGS according to the counsel of his own will. The Bible asks who has known the mind of God that he may instruct him ? then says But we have the mind of Christ. What is the mind of Christ? Let me quote directly. Philippians 2:5-11 Quote:
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
These are truly the last days...the fellowship of saints reduced to a hospital to help people with their self esteem and emotional issues, reduced to a university to learn the persuasive words of human wisdom. Truly the Gospel -Christ Crucified - is a stumbling block to the Jew, who seeks for a sign and to the Gentile who seeks wisdom. But to us who are being saved it is the power and wisdom of God. To all who are and who think they are Christians the scriptures have this to say, 2 Corinthians 13 Quote:
5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?
How do i examine myself ? against what do i examine myself ? James 1:23-25 Quote:
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does
(Please don't just jump to the he will be blessed in all that he does part and forget the more important issue) Hebrews 10 Quote:
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Quote:
1 Corinthians 5:11
11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
Then the next verse.. Christians please take note... Quote:
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”[d]
Brethren... The Gospel is about the human condition and Gods redemptive plan to save some from eternal damnation. The Gospel is about God's dealing with SIN. If Genesis 3 had not happened, we would have lived for ever in a perfect world, heaven on earth, no sickness, no sorrow, no worry, no shame, no guilt, no jealousy, no hunger, no suffering,no corruption, no police, no prisons, no hospitals, no psychiatrists, no poverty, no terrorism, no crime, no death. But because of sin... we all died IN Adam. The Bible says Romans 5 Quote:
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
then
14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
...The point is... the Gospel does not deal with trying to remedy our messed up emotions or our poverty of material things or even our health..it goes deeper, to regenerate the heart by the Holy Spirit, to restore the fallen man back to God Everyone who Jesus Healed or resurrected eventually died right? How come ? Genesis 3 has the answer. The whole point of the miracles Jesus Performed was to prove beyond doubt that he was who he claimed he is. Paul Teaches us that if in this life alone we have hope, then we are of all men to be pitied! why does he say this? Because Jesus taught and said my Kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD.He said if it were of this world his disciples would have prevented his arrest. To those naming and claiming cars, houses, marriage, children, wealth and so on that is not Christianity. Examine yourself. Take heed that no one deceives you.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mtu Biz, agreement! Like totally! To further illustrate how individuals, on the strength of their pastors wisdom trample upon the very gospel they claim to preach: Matthew 1:21 Quote:And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Most people do not read the last word. Yet it is found in the very first chapter of the Gospel. In the new testament ,,,,,,,,. 1. Some sensationalize, substitute it with 'financial problems', 2. others 'witchcraft' 3. yet others 'diseases' and so on. Some have got clever and insist He shall save his people from the law. The Gospel is none of the above options. At all. It is God dealing with SIN, aka transgression of the law. Indeed, the scriptures are completely ignored in favor of punching the air and declaring 'blessings'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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How wonderful! Two people who don't need spiritual nourishment from 'pastors' and what more! They are over-flowing with knowledge  Even the elusive knowledge that all pastors will lead you astray  Well then, like you said, a church is '..where two or three are gathered..' Guess, you have your very own church right there! If you get to heaven before I do, if I do, please ask the Lord to have mercy on my soul.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mukiri wrote:How wonderful! Two people who don't need spiritual nourishment from 'pastors' and what more! They are over-flowing with knowledge Even the elusive knowledge that all pastors will lead you astray Well then, like you said, a church is '..where two or three are gathered..' Guess, you have your very own church right there! If you get to heaven before I do, if I do, please ask the Lord to have mercy on my soul. Mukiri, surely. Should it not have occurred to you the parable of the rich man and Lazarus? Even if it were possible if I get to heaven before you, even if I ask the Lord to have mercy on your soul even if it were possible, you still will not pay attention to Moses and the prophets and what they have written. You will still not pay attention to the truths in the bible. You will still persist not reading and misunderstanding the bible, Mukiri. How this escapes you beats me. Mukiri, jameni! Just what goes on in your mind? Don't you read your bible? Jameni! Surely!!!!!! Instead of being antagonistic and negative, don't you think it will be more beneficial to all of us if you contributed positively? Mukiri?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Muriel wrote:Mukiri wrote:How wonderful! Two people who don't need spiritual nourishment from 'pastors' and what more! They are over-flowing with knowledge Even the elusive knowledge that all pastors will lead you astray Well then, like you said, a church is '..where two or three are gathered..' Guess, you have your very own church right there! If you get to heaven before I do, if I do, please ask the Lord to have mercy on my soul. Mukiri, surely. Should it not have occurred to you the parable of the rich man and Lazarus? Even if it were possible if I get to heaven before you, even if I ask the Lord to have mercy on your soul even if it were possible, you still will not pay attention to Moses and the prophets and what they have written. You will still not pay attention to the truths in the bible. You will still persist not reading and misunderstanding the bible, Mukiri. How this escapes you beats me. Mukiri, jameni! Just what goes on in your mind? Don't you read your bible? Jameni! Surely!!!!!! Instead of being antagonistic and negative, don't you think it will be more beneficial to all of us if you contributed positively? Mukiri? I'll pass. But thank you for the invite.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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A trip down memory lane. As taught way way back in the village.. THE HEART OF KAMAU Scenario 1: God is on the Throne and Kamau by His side. Scenario 2: Kamau is on the throne and God by his side. As you do what you are doing, what you plan on doing, who is on the throne? Is it you or is it God?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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Today i find myself in singing "His Love Endures for ever"
Psalms 106
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