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@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves?
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tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state?
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jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? We had an interesting discussion some time back about 'the church' where we found out that that phrase is not conclusive. Some 'vanquished' peoples have not yet agreed anyway. Incidentally, I subscribe to their school of thought. Until and when that particular phrase - the church - is ironed out conclusively, the matter is in abeyance.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? For me religion is a set of footprints left by a generation to another to aid in the journey of life. But then the prints come to an end. Then Man must know God. Then religion follows. The powerful can use it as they wish, but to what end? God not wanting the tower is consistent with the internal conflict of Cain, and Man in general not being resolved. Self consciousness in Man must start with internal conflict; death. But then life is about conquering death.
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Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? We had an interesting discussion some time back about 'the church' where we found out that that phrase is not conclusive. Some 'vanquished' peoples have not yet agreed anyway. Incidentally, I subscribe to their school of thought. Until and when that particular phrase - the church - is ironed out conclusively, the matter is in abeyance. Is any of you 3 in a relationship?
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We had an interesting discussion some time back about 'the church' where we found out that that phrase is not conclusive. Some 'vanquished' peoples have not yet agreed anyway. Incidentally, I subscribe to their school of thought.
Until and when that particular phrase - the church - is ironed out conclusively, the matter is in abeyance.
Muriel
That is interesting..a definition of the church?
Please enlighten me.
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jokes wrote:captain kirk wrote:Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? We had an interesting discussion some time back about 'the church' where we found out that that phrase is not conclusive. Some 'vanquished' peoples have not yet agreed anyway. Incidentally, I subscribe to their school of thought. Until and when that particular phrase - the church - is ironed out conclusively, the matter is in abeyance. Is any of you 3 in a relationship?  Jokes, are you in a relationship?
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tycho wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? For me religion is a set of footprints left by a generation to another to aid in the journey of life. But then the prints come to an end. Then Man must know God. Then religion follows. On this i agree the the holy books, stories told by our grandma's, myths and legends are experiences/collective knowledge passed on by our ancestors for guidance by future generations.The powerful can use it as they wish, but to what end? To what end? because once masses realize there is no life after death, and there is no Hell, they revolt, no morals, or sins to hold us back. The BEAST in us takes control and human life is forfeit. We no longer respect the rules imposed on us. we realize we are not behold to them or to God; but to us and what is theirs is ours. They loose control. That is what CONSTANTINE realized long ago. God not wanting the tower is consistent with the internal conflict of Cain, and Man in general not being resolved. which conflict? elaborate...Self consciousness in Man must start with internal conflict; death. But then life is about conquering death. Did you mean fear of death?; but i agree internal conflict is the beginning of Knowing ourselves, knowledge, God,the good and the bad of of us.
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Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:captain kirk wrote:Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? We had an interesting discussion some time back about 'the church' where we found out that that phrase is not conclusive. Some 'vanquished' peoples have not yet agreed anyway. Incidentally, I subscribe to their school of thought. Until and when that particular phrase - the church - is ironed out conclusively, the matter is in abeyance. Is any of you 3 in a relationship? Jokes, are you in a relationship? re·la·tion·ship
riˈlāSHənˌSHip/
noun
noun: relationship; plural noun: relationships
1. the way in which two or more concepts, objects, or people are connected, or the state of being connected.
"the study will assess the relationship between unemployment and political attitudes"
synonyms: connection, relation, association, link, correlation, correspondence, parallel, alliance, bond, interrelation, interconnection More
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jokes wrote:tycho wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? For me religion is a set of footprints left by a generation to another to aid in the journey of life. But then the prints come to an end. Then Man must know God. Then religion follows. On this i agree the the holy books, stories told by our grandma's, myths and legends are experiences/collective knowledge passed on by our ancestors for guidance by future generations.The powerful can use it as they wish, but to what end? T o what end? because once masses realize there is no life after death, and there is no Hell, they revolt, no morals, or sins to hold us back. The BEAST in us takes control and human life is forfeit. We no longer respect the rules imposed on us. we realize we are not behold to them or to God; but to us and what is theirs is ours. They loose control. That is what CONSTANTINE realized long ago.God not wanting the tower is consistent with the internal conflict of Cain, and Man in general not being resolved. which conflict? elaborate...Self consciousness in Man must start with internal conflict; death. But then life is about conquering death. Did you mean fear of death?; but i agree internal conflict is the beginning of Knowing ourselves, knowledge, God,the good and the bad of of us.
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jokes wrote:Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:captain kirk wrote:Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? We had an interesting discussion some time back about 'the church' where we found out that that phrase is not conclusive. Some 'vanquished' peoples have not yet agreed anyway. Incidentally, I subscribe to their school of thought. Until and when that particular phrase - the church - is ironed out conclusively, the matter is in abeyance. Is any of you 3 in a relationship? Jokes, are you in a relationship? re·la·tion·ship
riˈlāSHənˌSHip/
noun
noun: relationship; plural noun: relationships
1. the way in which two or more concepts, objects, or people are connected, or the state of being connected.
"the study will assess the relationship between unemployment and political attitudes"
synonyms: connection, relation, association, link, correlation, correspondence, parallel, alliance, bond, interrelation, interconnection More Yep, definitely a relationship!
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Now to get at the matter at hand. what is this about the church Muriel??
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jokes wrote:Now to get at the matter at hand. what is this about the church Muriel?? Almost everybody is claiming to be 'the church' yet they each vary from each other in more ways than one.
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Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:captain kirk wrote:Muriel wrote:jokes wrote:[quote=tycho]@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? We had an interesting discussion some time back about 'the church' where we found out that that phrase is not conclusive. Some 'vanquished' peoples have not yet agreed anyway. Incidentally, I subscribe to their school of thought. Until and when that particular phrase - the church - is ironed out conclusively, the matter is in abeyance. Is any of you 3 in a relationship? Jokes, are you in a relationship? re·la·tion·ship
riˈlāSHənˌSHip/
noun
noun: relationship; plural noun: relationships
1. the way in which two or more concepts, objects, or people are connected, or the state of being connected.
"the study will assess the relationship between unemployment and political attitudes"
synonyms: connection, relation, association, link, correlation, correspondence, parallel, alliance, bond, interrelation, interconnection More Yep, definitely a relationsl
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jokes wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:@Jokes, the story of the tower has not ended. Alexander the great is said to have intended to rebuild the tower. Who is/was next after him? Or what's next?
It's about the wind cutting a rough stone from a cliff and hurling it at the great statue in Babylon and bringing it down and spreading all over the world.
So let's not talk simply about the books we've read, or stories we've heard. Let's talk about how we are living now. What we are doing now. Do we know God? If we do, then we can know his thoughts. Do we know Cain? Do we know ourselves? I agree lets not talk about books we have read and stories we have heard. I have always been fascinated by religion, its dogma, origins and purpose. To me religion is a panacea to what ails us. A bedtime story to soothe the minds of babes scared of the big bad wolf. For if a child asks "WHERE DID MUMMY GO WHEN SHE DIED WE ANSWER..........?" When we talk about God he is us and we are him. we created God to be able to explain events around us and seek solace or lay blame to a particular entity yet all fault lay in us and our environment which we had not yet mastered. we relate all that occurs in our world to him both good and evil. Therefore Cain and Abel are representations of God. Good and Evil. The tower of babel in my opinion represents man's quest to find knowledge (himself/God)BUT God did not desire this and disoriented the humans to confuse them and hinder them from accomplishing their purpose leading us back to the story of the serpent in the garden.... is what he did wrong? is knowledge bad? is innocence and ignorance good? why did the serpent want us to know? To me God is both Good and evil. He is us. Religion, the dogmas and the churches were usurped by the state rulers to dominate thought and control the masses to accept the hell they lived in for a better life in future. For this the masses were taxed (offerings) to increase the coffers of the state and its power. After all is not the church the second biggest money minter after the state? For me religion is a set of footprints left by a generation to another to aid in the journey of life. But then the prints come to an end. Then Man must know God. Then religion follows. On this i agree the the holy books, stories told by our grandma's, myths and legends are experiences/collective knowledge passed on by our ancestors for guidance by future generations.The powerful can use it as they wish, but to what end? T o what end? because once masses realize there is no life after death, and there is no Hell, they revolt, no morals, or sins to hold us back. The BEAST in us takes control and human life is forfeit. We no longer respect the rules imposed on us. we realize we are not behold to them or to God; but to us and what is theirs is ours. They loose control. That is what CONSTANTINE realized long ago.God not wanting the tower is consistent with the internal conflict of Cain, and Man in general not being resolved. which conflict? elaborate...Self consciousness in Man must start with internal conflict; death. But then life is about conquering death. Did you mean fear of death?;i but i agree internal conflict is the beginning of Knowing ourselves, knowledge, God,the good and the bad of of us. Consider what history is telling us about human evolution. Vision is changing across time. For, is it true that the prepolital Man is always a beast? Or even, ever a beast? The voice of God becomes the voice of Man when Man goes beyond myth.
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I'm up for a dance Let me reflect first.
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symbols wrote:I'm up for a dance Let me reflect first. May I be your mirror?
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:I'm up for a dance Let me reflect first. May I be your mirror? You already are.Who isn't is the question?For now I want think about what is being discussed here and I can join the discussion.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 763 Location: Intersection
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captain kirk wrote:
Yep, definitely a relationsl
@captain kirk... i saw
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