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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:^^^^^^ hahahaha ati kenya flexed an emaciated muscle lol! Let me wake you up! Baks maintained a tight relationship with the west, but but expanded our frontiers further to the east, a clever move. To put it crudely, he EXPANDED CHINA'S MARKET for their products n services n loans. We still begged for aid from the west and you know it. Did china give us any aid? Did they import any finished good from us other than old batteries n scrap metal that is wrecking havoc on public property in form of vandalism? I have not seen more absurd thinking since the advent of multiparty. Kwani UHURU amedanganya watu kivipi? All I see is pure madness! @Simonkabs.. I dont think being anti west means being pro china. Any bilateral agreeements that are not win win will eventually hurt the economy. Since Uganda is our largest trading partner, more emphasis should be in countries which import from us,such as Uganda, which recently overtook UK. We mostly export cash crops to EU. The EU control the prices through auction method so we only get paid enough to keep us alive hence unfavourable trade. Thats why smart kenyans are now cutting down coffee and repacing with maize and beans. Maize and beans can be sold favorably to Uganda etc whereby we get paid the actual worth, without auctions e.t.c. Watch this video below by Susan George,for details http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_viNHVzadeMAs Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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a4architect.com wrote:@erifloss..i doubt if tribalism alone can be the bulk support for Uhuruto. If this was the case, then Karua,Kenneth,Muite, presidential candidates from central, could also be commanding some tribal votes from the same block. A majority of uhuruto followers are due to
1.their perceived anti west policy
2. Their manifesto I doubt. 1. Tribal blocks 2. RAO phobia which I have some. 3. Sympathy over ICC. Anti west campaigns are mere excuses to justify their tribal choices coz there is no other way of explaining themselves. How do you even begin to defend uhuru for instance? Any accompolishment in his name as MP, Minister in several portifolios, Leader of official opposition? Manifesto? Let me not even start. So, ill informed anti west noise makes a good scapegoat.......UK has made people unreasonably rebellious n if he is indeed like his fanatics which I doubt, he will pay dearly for it. That day, I won't sympathize. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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listen at minute 5. Susan George saysIts the Africans/South who support EU/North financially. http://youtu.be/_viNHVzadeM?t=5m6sAs Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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a4architect.com wrote:A majority of uhuruto followers are due to
1. Their manifesto Unfortunately that manifesto is an insult to any economist alive  Its like the fanatics cannot differentiate between reality & a dream! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Mkeiyd I dont even know where to begin. First for the record I am not an Uhuruto fan as you assume, I just refused to sit in silence and watch his character assassinated, while people peddle cheap rumors to instill fear and make people not vote for him. I believe in fairness, if you cant fairly beat Uhuru, dont resort to coercion and blackmail. Then onto freedom, im just baffled. After the Iraq war, it was very common for Americans to have have 'freedom is not free' stickers on their cars, just think about that for a minute. You say the Chinese, Koreans etc have freeom to vacation and enjoy life, have you ever thought of how they got to that level? Do you think by always toeing the line, you will get to their level? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. With your thinking, you will never be free, you will always remain subservient, but then again freedom does not mean alot to you. And what exactly do you understand by doing business on their terms? What does factory work have to do with terms? You know how many times China has been told not to do business with this or that country, but they still went ahead and did so, that the definition of doing business on your terms. You have your reasons for voting whomever will make sure those ships go to Mombasa before Dar, and someone else has their reasons for voting the opposite. Thats what free and fair elections are, may the best person win. I'm not here to make you vote in one way or another, but you have to respect the choice that the majority make, and that choice ought to be made without fear and coercion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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I still havent gotten an answer as to what my intentions would be if i took cows to guru's father. The reason why the West would never leave us is because of what we have and what we are to become, its not a coincidence that they are now finding out that Kenyans (and not Tzdians or S.Africans) have the skill and expertise to run and work for their companies , they would not dare waste money on you if they dint see you as an "opportunity" because that is what Kenya/africa is. An opportunity for exploitation and an opportunity for to expand their markets. The reality is, they are loosing ground very fast to the Chinese...as you have seen in the numbers above....and they are very aware that if/when they step out, the chings will be very fast in stepping in....Do they want this????? I doubt it. China is very aware that with its population growth and limited resources, their economy cannot sustain the momentum not unless they "co-operate" with other countries and hence their rush for resources in Latin America and Africa. They have now gone all out to the extent of starting a News channel to rival the likes of CNN and BBC and have employed a completely diff strategy, hiring locals and showing very positive news and documentaries in China about Africa. Do you think its just by coincidence that the station is in Kenya and not Nigeria? On the balance of trade...the situation in Kenya is replicated everywhere in the world mainly because China has established itself as the worlds "mtu wa mkono"...a while back, there was an epidose on Money Matters where a Kenyan enterpreneur was making tablets (i forget his name) said that they are having them made in China, in 2012 the exports to China from the US were 110,590.1, while the imports were 425,643.6 (figures in USD Millions) this is maily because China has become the worlds workshop. Now on those complaining of having toothpicks from China...why dont you make your own, buy your own and drive the Chinese out of our shelves? How long shall you keep complaining yet you dont appreciate the local stuff and ingenuity. If am not wrong it was @Mkeiyd who said (on another thread) that Africa has no art to show off like the Monalisa etc...Why dont we appreciate Mutiso's wood carving or Onyancha's soap stone artifact? The only way Africa will grow is not by interacting west but by being consumers of their own stuff "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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@Nabwire ...I don't think the majority here are out to assassinate their characters. Just stating facts. And the facts are these 2 have a case of crimes against humanity to answer. They were indicted. An indictment is very serious business in Criminal Law. Means enough evidence has been found to file charges and the have the accused answer them. Now, Kenya willingly signed and ratified the ICC/Rome treaty. In addition, our own parliament asserted that the PEV cases be referred to the ICC. If that does not grant legitimacy to the court I don't know what does. Which brings me to the second point. If these 2 are innocent, the case should not stick. But why vie before clearing their names? This is not only a moral question, but also a logistical and practical one. May be you would like hazard a reply on how the duo will govern while fully occupied 9 to 5 for the foreseeable few months? The refusal to reign in their ambition until their case is dispensed with shows leaders who are selfish and who put their interests first before those of the nation. It is a disingenuous candidacy, they are not interested in leading, they are interested in power. You have said ... Nabwire wrote:
I just refused to sit in silence and watch his character assassinated, while people peddle cheap rumors to instill fear and make people not vote for him.
You (and others) could be accused of peddling cheap rumours as well, making this to be about freedom, when clearly it is not. It is well orchestrated propaganda, meant to tug at the nationalism of a misguided electorate. Like @mkeiyd asked ... What will Kenya be able to do,by voting suspects,that we CAN'T do now?What is your understanding of being free? Do you think you can be free of macro-economic policies and laws made by your state, especially if you don't like them? Cause I am trying to understand your statement in the context of 'freedom' Quote:
With your thinking, you will never be free, you will always remain subservient, but then again freedom does not mean alot to you.
Subservient to who? We all pay taxes to KRA, are kept in good order by the Kenya Police and are adjudicated by Kenyan courts. I have never been stopped by any man, European or otherwise from personally going on about my business. This freedom argument is a fallacy. It is rhetoric. In fact, many will be perfectly free to vote uhuruto on 4th. As for trade, we have to comply to policies and terms of whoever we are trading with be it China, Uganda or the EU - ergo, we are subject to obey those policies. So, nobody is 'free' in that respect, not even the US. But then, that is not what freedom is. You don't go about business in town in stained clothes, you clean them out first. This is what these accusations are, to use a rudimentary analogy. The conclusion of the trial should succeed or fail in removing the stains - but the cleaning is not done when the clothes are on the body. It is very simple. The duo should not have vied, and having failed that, right thinking Kenyans shouldn't vote them into power.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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I really dont want to be caught up in this stuff. I do agree that Uhuru should clear his name before running for President, but contingent on Raila also being barred from running, coz we all know who the mastermind of PEV is. Get all three off the roster and your argument makes sense, otherwise its just hot air. And dont pretend like you didnt see a certain wazuan launch a very malicious, bitter and hateful campaign against Uhuruto, the lies had to be countered. I dont feel like debating your other points.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Nabwire wrote:I really dont want to be caught up in this stuff. I do agree that Uhuru should clear his name before running for President, but contingent on Raila also being barred from running, coz we all know who the mastermind of PEV is. Get all three off the roster and your argument makes sense, otherwise its just hot air. And dont pretend like you didnt see a certain wazuan launch a very malicious, bitter and hateful campaign against Uhuruto, the lies had to be countered. I dont feel like debating your other points.  We joined Wazua to debate, dissent, agree and discuss ideas, therefore if you post an opinion, you will damn get a reply if I care about the subject. How insincere of you to feign disinterest at this point after posting vigorously, even addressing some very sharp remarks towards fellow posters? Anyway, that is your choice. I will counter the points you have raised by saying this ....how are we supposed to stop RAO? He hasn't been charged with a crime and the integrity suit he was enjoined was thrown out. Opinion does not constitute a trial. These intimations of who did what concerning PEV are useless unless those accusations appear on a court charge sheet. It is hot air, to use your own words. Secondly, I haven't read this Wazuan's post who you claim launched a malicious and hateful campaign against Uhuruto. Point me in its direction so I can judge for myself. However, and I didn't assume that all are devoid of malice or ill intent; That is why I started my post with the phrase ... Quote:
...I don't think the majority here are out to assassinate their characters. Just stating facts
I presume the minority covers this wazuan you are referring to. Please, go and gather your thoughts then resume posting, reading other people's opinion makes one an informed person 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Nabwire wrote: You know how many times China has been told not to do business with this or that country, but they still went ahead and did so, You keep ranting and raving China, china, china, china! This is the same China that will still do whatever the USA requires.. http://www.2point6billio...-oil-imports-10808.html
China is only usually hard headed with the USA when the USA tries to influence domestic policy eg currency But What is Kenya compared to Iran?? In Africa we have plenty of replacements for Kenya in terms of labour, resources, & the port ie Nigeria, Morocco, Egypt, Namibia, Tanzania This makes Kenya dispensable by both the West & China with our tiny tiny tiny economy!!! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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