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masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Disadvantaged group as per the act Quote:"disadvantaged group" means persons perceived to be
denied, by mainstream society access to resources and tools
which are useful for their survival in a way that
disadvantages them, or individuals who have been subjected
to prejudice or cultural bias because of their identities as
members of groups without regard to their individual
qualities, and includes enterprises owned by women, the
youth and persons with disabilities; Now, between our Guka(Man) and Waiguru(woman) who is disadvantaged as per the above defination? the guka is toast! Blue is what makes any woman qualify for such tenders without proving a thing. as @masukuma says let us look at the laws and not prejudice individuals/people unnecessarily!!!!!! In law, the whole clause, section, Act can never be read independently.It has to read dependently.....tuache jokes priss...Hii mambo ya subjective interpretation and application of law to suit our interests should stop. Otherwise,Mark zuckerberg can come and register a company in partnership with a local contractor below 35 years and claim they are disadvantaged youth. Quote:"youth" means persons who have attained the age of eighteen
years but have not attained the age of thirty-five years. Quote:Notwithstanding the foregoing, a foreign contractor may
apply benefit from the preference and reservation scheme
where it enters into a joint venture or subcontracting
arrangements, as evidenced by written agreement, with a
local contractor, where the local contractor has a majority
share. Infact under AGPO, anyone can apply as long as they are citizens or local contractors Quote:These Regulations shall apply to procurements by public
entities when soliciting tenders from the following target
groups-
(a) small enterprises;
(b) micro enterprises;
(c) disadvantaged groups;
(d) citizen contractors;
(e) local contractors; or
(f) citizen contractors in joint-venture or sub¬contracting
arrangements with foreign suppliers. sasa.. nani anatakikana kuInteprete PPOA act? the entrepreneur? No, the civil servants who in this case and in my opinion, acted negligently If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:I think we are mixing issues - Sundale is owned by a woman... she qualifies as a person disadvantaged.. Her... Maggie.. My Mum... Shebesh... Mama Mboga. the assumption in law is that if you a youth (under 35) or a woman (any age) or a person with disability <--- you qualify. Pesa ya Muthamaki sio zako just because you chucked from the same womb... uliza kaka za kibaki
For once we agree on an issue 100%. All women are considered as a disadvantaged group. That is also why we have women reps in parliament to improve gender participation in parliament. In business all women owned enterprises (plus those of other marginalized groups such as youth and disabled) are deemed to be disadvantaged and are thus supposed to be given special consideration for affirmative action. On the second issue of ohuru's relatives bidding for business, I agree with you. We do not expect all ourus relatives (maybe > 10,000 people - bros, sisters, aunties, cousins, nieces, inlaws etc) to be camping in his house seeking for handouts because they are banned from doing any business while he is president. That is unless we adopt a system like they have in Britain where the Royal family has a budget allocation from govt to help sustain them, and even then only a few very close relatives many be covered. This may never happen in our case. As they say, mtegemea cha nduguye hufa maskini. Pesa ya ndugu yako sio pesa yako. Kila mtu ajipange. ***As an aside, I can see we are also in agreement that Trump is winning. This must be the agreement week. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:I think we are mixing issues - Sundale is owned by a woman... she qualifies as a person disadvantaged.. Her... Maggie.. My Mum... Shebesh... Mama Mboga. the assumption in law is that if you a youth (under 35) or a woman (any age) or a person with disability <--- you qualify. Pesa ya Muthamaki sio zako just because you chucked from the same womb... uliza kaka za kibaki
For once we agree on an issue 100%. All women are considered as a disadvantaged group. That is also why we have women reps in parliament to improve gender participation in parliament. In business all women owned enterprises (plus those of other marginalized groups such as youth and disabled) are deemed to be disadvantaged and are thus supposed to be given special consideration for affirmative action. On the second issue of ohuru's relatives bidding for business, I agree with you. We do not expect all ourus relatives (maybe > 10,000 people - bros, sisters, aunties, cousins, nieces, inlaws etc) to be camping in his house seeking for handouts because they are banned from doing any business while he is president. That is unless we adopt a system like they have in Britain where the Royal family has a budget allocation from govt to help sustain them, and even then only a few very close relatives many be covered. This may never happen in our case. As they say, mtegemea cha nduguye hufa maskini. Pesa ya ndugu yako sio pesa yako. Kila mtu ajipange. ***As an aside, I can see we are also in agreement that Trump is winning. This must be the agreement week. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Disadvantaged group as per the act Quote:"disadvantaged group" means persons perceived to be
denied, by mainstream society access to resources and tools
which are useful for their survival in a way that
disadvantages them, or individuals who have been subjected
to prejudice or cultural bias because of their identities as
members of groups without regard to their individual
qualities, and includes enterprises owned by women, the
youth and persons with disabilities; Now, between our Guka(Man) and Waiguru(woman) who is disadvantaged as per the above defination? the guka is toast! Blue is what makes any woman qualify for such tenders without proving a thing. as @masukuma says let us look at the laws and not prejudice individuals/people unnecessarily!!!!!! In law, the whole clause, section, Act can never be read independently.It has to read dependently.....tuache jokes priss...Hii mambo ya subjective interpretation and application of law to suit our interests should stop. Otherwise,Mark zuckerberg can come and register a company in partnership with a local contractor below 35 years and claim they are disadvantaged youth. Quote:"youth" means persons who have attained the age of eighteen
years but have not attained the age of thirty-five years. Quote:Notwithstanding the foregoing, a foreign contractor may
apply benefit from the preference and reservation scheme
where it enters into a joint venture or subcontracting
arrangements, as evidenced by written agreement, with a
local contractor, where the local contractor has a majority
share. Infact under AGPO, anyone can apply as long as they are citizens or local contractors Quote:These Regulations shall apply to procurements by public
entities when soliciting tenders from the following target
groups-
(a) small enterprises;
(b) micro enterprises;
(c) disadvantaged groups;
(d) citizen contractors;
(e) local contractors; or
(f) citizen contractors in joint-venture or sub¬contracting
arrangements with foreign suppliers. sasa.. nani anatakikana kuInteprete PPOA act? the entrepreneur? No, the civil servants who in this case and in my opinion, acted negligently Ohuru is paid Sh 1,750,000 every month before tax. So how is he supposed to share this money will all his relatives so that they do not engage in business? NB - in family gatherings I am normally introduced to many relatives some that I do not know and wouldn't recognise in the streets (cousins, nephews, nieces, inlaws etc). I can imagine for Ohuru it must be a nightmare Ohuru him being from an extended polygamous family.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:I think we are mixing issues - Sundale is owned by a woman... she qualifies as a person disadvantaged.. Her... Maggie.. My Mum... Shebesh... Mama Mboga. the assumption in law is that if you a youth (under 35) or a woman (any age) or a person with disability <--- you qualify. Pesa ya Muthamaki sio zako just because you chucked from the same womb... uliza kaka za kibaki
For once we agree on an issue 100%. All women are considered as a disadvantaged group. That is also why we have women reps in parliament to improve gender participation in parliament. In business all women owned enterprises (plus those of other marginalized groups such as youth and disabled) are deemed to be disadvantaged and are thus supposed to be given special consideration for affirmative action. On the second issue of ohuru's relatives bidding for business, I agree with you. We do not expect all ourus relatives (maybe > 10,000 people - bros, sisters, aunties, cousins, nieces, inlaws etc) to be camping in his house seeking for handouts because they are banned from doing any business while he is president. That is unless we adopt a system like they have in Britain where the Royal family has a budget allocation from govt to help sustain them, and even then only a few very close relatives many be covered. This may never happen in our case. As they say, mtegemea cha nduguye hufa maskini. Pesa ya ndugu yako sio pesa yako. Kila mtu ajipange. ***As an aside, I can see we are also in agreement that Trump is winning. This must be the agreement week. loooool
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:I think we are mixing issues - Sundale is owned by a woman... she qualifies as a person disadvantaged.. Her... Maggie.. My Mum... Shebesh... Mama Mboga. the assumption in law is that if you a youth (under 35) or a woman (any age) or a person with disability <--- you qualify. Pesa ya Muthamaki sio zako just because you chucked from the same womb... uliza kaka za kibaki
For once we agree on an issue 100%. All women are considered as a disadvantaged group. That is also why we have women reps in parliament to improve gender participation in parliament. In business all women owned enterprises (plus those of other marginalized groups such as youth and disabled) are deemed to be disadvantaged and are thus supposed to be given special consideration for affirmative action. On the second issue of ohuru's relatives bidding for business, I agree with you. We do not expect all ourus relatives (maybe > 10,000 people - bros, sisters, aunties, cousins, nieces, inlaws etc) to be camping in his house seeking for handouts because they are banned from doing any business while he is president. That is unless we adopt a system like they have in Britain where the Royal family has a budget allocation from govt to help sustain them, and even then only a few very close relatives many be covered. This may never happen in our case. As they say, mtegemea cha nduguye hufa maskini. Pesa ya ndugu yako sio pesa yako. Kila mtu ajipange. ***As an aside, I can see we are also in agreement that Trump is winning. This must be the agreement week. @hardwood - we agree on many things just not your pet project - Trump @Maka.... hii dunia ni ya kila mtu kujipanga... Earning hands should be looked at better than begging hands! People ask... why can't people get satisfied with X... why buy a maserati or ferrari or bugatti (sounds like a naija song right there) and this money can be used to "help the poor"! kwani are there not people building these things? these people have families... not buying a maserati and you have cash enough to spend then you spend it giving to the poor is a vote in the direction that says "begging hands are more important than earning hands". Even Bill Gates realized that giving out money RESPONSIBLY is more difficult than making it. He once thought he was alleviating hunger by giving wheat only to kill the few farms that were producing something and increasing dependency. so instead of giving the poor money - buy something you don't need with it. This made me chuckle  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Disadvantaged group as per the act Quote:"disadvantaged group" means persons perceived to be
denied, by mainstream society access to resources and tools
which are useful for their survival in a way that
disadvantages them, or individuals who have been subjected
to prejudice or cultural bias because of their identities as
members of groups without regard to their individual
qualities, and includes enterprises owned by women, the
youth and persons with disabilities; Now, between our Guka(Man) and Waiguru(woman) who is disadvantaged as per the above defination? the guka is toast! Blue is what makes any woman qualify for such tenders without proving a thing. as @masukuma says let us look at the laws and not prejudice individuals/people unnecessarily!!!!!! In law, the whole clause, section, Act can never be read independently.It has to read dependently.....tuache jokes priss...Hii mambo ya subjective interpretation and application of law to suit our interests should stop. Otherwise,Mark zuckerberg can come and register a company in partnership with a local contractor below 35 years and claim they are disadvantaged youth. Quote:"youth" means persons who have attained the age of eighteen
years but have not attained the age of thirty-five years. Quote:Notwithstanding the foregoing, a foreign contractor may
apply benefit from the preference and reservation scheme
where it enters into a joint venture or subcontracting
arrangements, as evidenced by written agreement, with a
local contractor, where the local contractor has a majority
share. Infact under AGPO, anyone can apply as long as they are citizens or local contractors Quote:These Regulations shall apply to procurements by public
entities when soliciting tenders from the following target
groups-
(a) small enterprises;
(b) micro enterprises;
(c) disadvantaged groups;
(d) citizen contractors;
(e) local contractors; or
(f) citizen contractors in joint-venture or sub¬contracting
arrangements with foreign suppliers. sasa.. nani anatakikana kuInteprete PPOA act? the entrepreneur? No, the civil servants who in this case and in my opinion, acted negligently Ohuru is paid Sh 1,750,000 every month before tax. So how is he supposed to share this money will all his relatives so that they do not engage in business? NB - in family gatherings I am normally introduced to many relatives some that I do not know and wouldn't recognise in the streets (cousins, nephews, nieces, inlaws etc). I can imagine for Ohuru it must be a nightmare Ohuru him being from an extended polygamous family. Have you read any of my posts where I have said ouru's family members should not be involved in business? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Technocrat joins #sycophant!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Angelica _ann wrote:Technocrat joins #sycophant!!! Inaitwa mkono ya sirikali. Consistency is better than intensity
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