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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,155 Location: Nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:Yeah, like the britam tower which is supposed to sky rocket the price to 30's when completed Britam Tower. 1) Does it belong to Britam or its clients/customers? [Long-term assets under investment plans offered by Britam] 2) Is Britam paying cash or borrowing to build it? [If debt, USD or KES? What rates?] 3) What missed/sacrificed opportunities did Britam trade off? [20% T-Bills, cheap shares eg PER of 8 for KCB, I&M, BBK; PB 0.7 for KenRe; etc] 4) Or could Britam Tower be spun off into a I-REIT? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,753 Location: NAIROBI
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@VituVingiSana The britam tower is an asset for investment to generate income for Britam.It belongs to both clients and shareholders. Britam is using a mixture of debt and cash to build it.They issued a corporate bond last year to partly fund the construction. Traded off missed opportunities like you have mentioned. Britam has no plans to spin ot off into an I-REIT Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,336
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 @Winmak....I want you to do a survey of how much NSSF building generates per year. This is one of the best investment. NSSF is the largest investor is stocks and owns almost a big chunk in every stock quoted firm in NSE and none- quoted. I am thinking one dy they will result into own banking arm (aka NSSF Bank of Kenya) Indian Billionaires come to kenya, buy prime space, set up buildings and sell- see the Delta building by Ambanis in westlands housing IMF and World bank offices. Nssf is ctually the biggest sy largest building in Kenya and east Africa by space.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,155 Location: Nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote:  @Winmak....I want you to do a survey of how much NSSF building generates per year. This is one of the best investment. NSSF is the largest investor is stocks and owns almost a big chunk in every stock quoted firm in NSE and none- quoted. I am thinking one dy they will result into own banking arm (aka NSSF Bank of Kenya) Indian Billionaires come to kenya, buy prime space, set up buildings and sell- see the Delta building by Ambanis in westlands housing IMF and World bank offices. Nssf is ctually the biggest sy largest building in Kenya and east Africa by space. NSSF has consistently underperformed the market. If anything, it would have been better off investing in T-Bills than properties. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,336
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Turnaround, turn upside down etc ...all for profits- Call it the Mackinsey Theory of Profits!!!! Bravo! Bravo! Now lets see change in Price to tally. This is the time to get in or Never!!! Co-op profit up 36.5pc as turnaround pays off
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,336
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The bank is on a growth projectory. It is a bank still not much written about. It holds alot of property in the country apart from being a bigger shreholder in most of the cooperates societies it leads. Though Mwalimu Sacco threatened to move out after buying into Merali Eco-bank majority feel the need to stay to hve wide bearth. This Co-operative Bank has perfomed great from 1/4, half, 3/4 terms showing it will ofcourse do well the next remining 1/4 which is a month nd a hlf to go. Its time the dividend grew to full number a Ksh 1.0 FY2015. Brokers have recommended it as buy and investors are buying.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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This seems to be a sells talk ?. Is it by Coop Bank or by a broker ?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 12/1/2014 Posts: 45 Location: Nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote:The bank is on a growth projectory. It is a bank still not much written about. It holds alot of property in the country apart from being a bigger shreholder in most of the cooperates societies it leads. Though Mwalimu Sacco threatened to move out after buying into Merali Eco-bank majority feel the need to stay to hve wide bearth. This Co-operative Bank has perfomed great from 1/4, half, 3/4 terms showing it will ofcourse do well the next remining 1/4 which is a month nd a hlf to go. Its time the dividend grew to full number a Ksh 1.0 FY2015. Brokers have recommended it as buy and investors are buying. @Realtreaty, its Equitorial not Eco, Ecobank is a different entity with a pan african model. That aside, I concur that Coop is realising the results of its transformation agenda, they have remarkably improved their operation efficiency which is a key driver of low cost of operation thus minimal cost hence increasing their margins as the revenues continues to grow. Solid bank it appears.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,336
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Oops, I said Ecobank, Yes Equitorial. Thanks buddy, sharp eyed boy!!!! When is Merali getting a partner for SameerAfrica- Yana? He lied to us. Emerger wrote:Realtreaty wrote:The bank is on a growth projectory. It is a bank still not much written about. It holds alot of property in the country apart from being a bigger shreholder in most of the cooperates societies it leads. Though Mwalimu Sacco threatened to move out after buying into Merali Eco-bank majority feel the need to stay to hve wide bearth. This Co-operative Bank has perfomed great from 1/4, half, 3/4 terms showing it will ofcourse do well the next remining 1/4 which is a month nd a hlf to go. Its time the dividend grew to full number a Ksh 1.0 FY2015. Brokers have recommended it as buy and investors are buying. @Realtreaty, its Equitorial not Eco, Ecobank is a different entity with a pan african model. That aside, I concur that Coop is realising the results of its transformation agenda, they have remarkably improved their operation efficiency which is a key driver of low cost of operation thus minimal cost hence increasing their margins as the revenues continues to grow. Solid bank it appears.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,336
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With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,611 Location: nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote:With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY. 100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 484,100 ABP 7.45; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY. 100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely This is one stock that has no wing Though floated their shares on 2008 at a reasonable price of 9.i remember I bought a good chunk almost 8 years down the road and the best it can have is 18 which is twice the original price. Even when the bull came to mate it was just 22. If you compare this with other stock like kcb equity even diamond bank they have rallied and some even split their shares in that period since 2008.the bank seem to be doing well with excellent results but I don't know what that billionaire ceo tycoon is doing. who has an idea
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/1/2010 Posts: 517 Location: kandara, Murang'a
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enyands wrote:obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY. 100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely This is one stock that has no wing Though floated their shares on 2008 at a reasonable price of 9.i remember I bought a good chunk almost 8 years down the road and the best it can have is 18 which is twice the original price. Even when the bull came to mate it was just 22. If you compare this with other stock like kcb equity even diamond bank they have rallied and some even split their shares in that period since 2008.the bank seem to be doing well with excellent results but I don't know what that billionaire ceo tycoon is doing. who has an idea How many bonuses? ?? Foresight..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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enyands wrote:obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY. 100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely This is one stock that has no wing Though floated their shares on 2008 at a reasonable price of 9.i remember I bought a good chunk almost 8 years down the road and the best it can have is 18 which is twice the original price. Even when the bull came to mate it was just 22. If you compare this with other stock like kcb equity even diamond bank they have rallied and some even split their shares in that period since 2008.the bank seem to be doing well with excellent results but I don't know what that billionaire ceo tycoon is doing. who has an idea You've got it right. that's why i don't like this stock. The reason is that it is bogged down by having too many shares with performance not matching up The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,611 Location: nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY. 100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely This is one stock that has no wing Though floated their shares on 2008 at a reasonable price of 9.i remember I bought a good chunk almost 8 years down the road and the best it can have is 18 which is twice the original price. Even when the bull came to mate it was just 22. If you compare this with other stock like kcb equity even diamond bank they have rallied and some even split their shares in that period since 2008.the bank seem to be doing well with excellent results but I don't know what that billionaire ceo tycoon is doing. who has an idea You've got it right. that's why i don't like this stock. The reason is that it is bogged down by having too many shares with performance not matching up Too many shares?? Compared to Equity?? COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 484,100 ABP 7.45; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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obiero wrote:Aguytrying wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY. 100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely This is one stock that has no wing Though floated their shares on 2008 at a reasonable price of 9.i remember I bought a good chunk almost 8 years down the road and the best it can have is 18 which is twice the original price. Even when the bull came to mate it was just 22. If you compare this with other stock like kcb equity even diamond bank they have rallied and some even split their shares in that period since 2008.the bank seem to be doing well with excellent results but I don't know what that billionaire ceo tycoon is doing. who has an idea You've got it right. that's why i don't like this stock. The reason is that it is bogged down by having too many shares with performance not matching up Too many shares?? Compared to Equity?? Elder Obiero with due respect equity as you know has alot of floated shares you know why because it went maximum ,split the shares I think two times increasing the shares number and still the price on the floor rose up beating the coop which had a funny bonus "just once " of 6:1 if im right and is struggling ever since. Though there is one thing I would say good about coop.it has stood the test of bears mating wrath.whereas other banks have lost 30-50 % it's loss has stood less than 30%
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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enyands wrote:obiero wrote:Aguytrying wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY. 100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely This is one stock that has no wing Though floated their shares on 2008 at a reasonable price of 9.i remember I bought a good chunk almost 8 years down the road and the best it can have is 18 which is twice the original price. Even when the bull came to mate it was just 22. If you compare this with other stock like kcb equity even diamond bank they have rallied and some even split their shares in that period since 2008.the bank seem to be doing well with excellent results but I don't know what that billionaire ceo tycoon is doing. who has an idea You've got it right. that's why i don't like this stock. The reason is that it is bogged down by having too many shares with performance not matching up Too many shares?? Compared to Equity?? Elder Obiero with due respect equity as you know has alot of floated shares you know why because it went maximum ,split the shares I think two times increasing the shares number and still the price on the floor rose up beating the coop which had a funny bonus "just once " of 6:1 if im right and is struggling ever since. Though there is one thing I would say good about coop.it has stood the test of bears mating wrath.whereas other banks have lost 30-50 % it's loss has stood less than 30% 1:6 Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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Boris Boyka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:Aguytrying wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:With a 31% grwoth in 3/4 year I am looking for money to add more before January. At 18 I still call it a gift. A dividend of 1Ksh is very feasible 2015FY. 100% jump in dividend payout? That would be awesome, though unlikely This is one stock that has no wing Though floated their shares on 2008 at a reasonable price of 9.i remember I bought a good chunk almost 8 years down the road and the best it can have is 18 which is twice the original price. Even when the bull came to mate it was just 22. If you compare this with other stock like kcb equity even diamond bank they have rallied and some even split their shares in that period since 2008.the bank seem to be doing well with excellent results but I don't know what that billionaire ceo tycoon is doing. who has an idea You've got it right. that's why i don't like this stock. The reason is that it is bogged down by having too many shares with performance not matching up Too many shares?? Compared to Equity?? Elder Obiero with due respect equity as you know has alot of floated shares you know why because it went maximum ,split the shares I think two times increasing the shares number and still the price on the floor rose up beating the coop which had a funny bonus "just once " of 6:1 if im right and is struggling ever since. Though there is one thing I would say good about coop.it has stood the test of bears mating wrath.whereas other banks have lost 30-50 % it's loss has stood less than 30% 1:6 Yes 1;6
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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As a shareholder and a customer of this bank,I am very disappointed with how they are implementing the whole agency banking concept.You cannot chase away customers who have come to a banking hall and tell them to go to deposit to the agents.You go to the agents who are either selling meat,hardware items or other items with no regard to customers who are coming to deposit the money.It is quite unfortunate and this will be the start of the downfall.Poor customer service. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,753 Location: NAIROBI
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Absolutely true PeterReborn. They are trying to boost profits by cost reduction instead of growing the loan book and giving good customer service that will keep customers running to and not away from the bank. In 2014 they lost a huge chunk of customers to competitors like KCB Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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