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kaka2za wrote:enyands wrote:kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:Africa would have arguably been much better without colonialization. Ethiopia wasn't colonized. Is it much better? It was affected by colonialization of its neighbours. No country exists in isolation. And dont forget the cost of the war with the italians. Google a region called guinea Papua in Indonesia .that region wasn't colonised and has people of the same dark pigment as we do. They have nothing much and live on harvesting honey and bush meat. If you have Netflix search for documentary called pururambo or youtube it .colonialism helped bring light even though there are sad side of it but it lit up . Even America was colonised by the same British and changed the life of native americans to "prosperity". PNG is not in Indonesia. It is still 'colonized' by Australia.You know who is the Head of State of PNG? Queen Elizabeth! Ati native americans prospered? They were virtually wiped out! Wiped out by Gonorea. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:kaka2za wrote:enyands wrote:kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:Africa would have arguably been much better without colonialization. Ethiopia wasn't colonized. Is it much better? It was affected by colonialization of its neighbours. No country exists in isolation. And dont forget the cost of the war with the italians. Google a region called guinea Papua in Indonesia .that region wasn't colonised and has people of the same dark pigment as we do. They have nothing much and live on harvesting honey and bush meat. If you have Netflix search for documentary called pururambo or youtube it .colonialism helped bring light even though there are sad side of it but it lit up . Even America was colonised by the same British and changed the life of native americans to "prosperity". PNG is not in Indonesia. It is still 'colonized' by Australia.You know who is the Head of State of PNG? Queen Elizabeth! Ati native americans prospered? They were virtually wiped out! Wiped out by Gonorea. White people brought many types of diseases to indigenous populations. By the way all those people looking romantically at white people lording over them need to realize one thing!! they were not in it for you!! look at all the areas they colonized that did not have indigenous tropical diseases - they swept all indigenous populations. Name a country outside Europe they colonized and stayed. New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, US, Canada. What saved us is malaria and tropical diseases - we were trophies in a game of thrones not places to really stay (but for our highlands where hakuna malaria) as soon as the world war was over and now broke kingdoms started culling off excess weight - we got ours (like with everywhere else). Fellows... you were saved by Malaria!! you would be as ignorant as South Africans now. These fellows came in with multiple attacks - killing people right of the bat was one. Diseases - The once proud and numerous Maasai were swept out but sexually transmitted diseases as soon as mzungus made contact. They changed culture through requirements to access schools, hospitals that required someone to proselytize to their religion and way of life. Whose who still think Wakoloni were any good should look a good old Australia or Argentina and lookup the state of the local populations there and place themselves in those shoes. By the Way PNG is such a mountainous and rough terrain. plus these fellows literally ate people - cannibalism - it scared the hell out of the white man. Colonialism was not beneficial to anyone - check out Congo or Mozambique e.t.c. Some people confuse the British point taking colonialism to be what colonialism really was. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:Impunity wrote:kaka2za wrote:enyands wrote:kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:Africa would have arguably been much better without colonialization. Ethiopia wasn't colonized. Is it much better? It was affected by colonialization of its neighbours. No country exists in isolation. And dont forget the cost of the war with the italians. Google a region called guinea Papua in Indonesia .that region wasn't colonised and has people of the same dark pigment as we do. They have nothing much and live on harvesting honey and bush meat. If you have Netflix search for documentary called pururambo or youtube it .colonialism helped bring light even though there are sad side of it but it lit up . Even America was colonised by the same British and changed the life of native americans to "prosperity". PNG is not in Indonesia. It is still 'colonized' by Australia.You know who is the Head of State of PNG? Queen Elizabeth! Ati native americans prospered? They were virtually wiped out! Wiped out by Gonorea. White people brought many types of diseases to indigenous populations. By the way all those people looking romantically at white people lording over them need to realize one thing!! they were not in it for you!! look at all the areas they colonized that did not have indigenous tropical diseases - they swept all indigenous populations. Name a country outside Europe they colonized and stayed. New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, US, Canada. What saved us is malaria and tropical diseases - we were trophies in a game of thrones not places to really stay (but for our highlands where hakuna malaria) as soon as the world war was over and now broke kingdoms started culling off excess weight - we got ours (like with everywhere else). Fellows... you were saved by Malaria!! you would be as ignorant as South Africans now. These fellows came in with multiple attacks - killing people right of the bat was one. Diseases - The once proud and numerous Maasai were swept out but sexually transmitted diseases as soon as mzungus made contact. They changed culture through requirements to access schools, hospitals that required someone to proselytize to their religion and way of life. Whose who still think Wakoloni were any good should look a good old Australia or Argentina and lookup the state of the local populations there and place themselves in those shoes. By the Way PNG is such a mountainous and rough terrain. plus these fellows literally ate people - cannibalism - it scared the hell out of the white man. Colonialism was not beneficial to anyone - check out Congo or Mozambique e.t.c. Some people confuse the British point taking colonialism to be what colonialism really was. You only have to go through history to realize how wicked (and sick in the head) the white man is. What really shocked me is that the white man used to distribute small pox infested blankets to indigenous tribes in Australia, south america, US etc to deliberately infect them with disease and kill them. The whites would also rape women and girls to deliberately infect them with syphilis which had no cure at the time. This would lead to whole communities being infected by the diseases. In namibia when the local communities resisted colonisation, they were chased into the desert by the german colonisers and the water wells were poisoned. And 80% of the population was killed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote: You only have to go through history to realize how wicked (and sick in the head) the white man is. What really shocked me is that the white man used to distribute small pox infested blankets to indigenous tribes in Australia, south america, US etc to deliberately infect them with disease and kill them. The whites would also rape women and girls to deliberately infect them with syphilis which had no cure at the time. This would lead to whole communities being infected by the diseases. In namibia when the local communities resisted colonisation, they were chased into the desert by the german colonisers and the water wells were poisoned. And 80% of the population was killed.
White people were (are) pretty f*ck up in the head. Just lookup all the tourture techniques they devised! http://list25.com/25-mos...echniques-ever-devised/ the The Judas Cradle, Spanish Donkey and being Hanged, Drawn, and Quartered was wicked!! Crazy people... The very fact that we are still around and making noise points to the resilience of our race. We would have been no starters like the aborigines or the native american indians. The image of tea sipping brits greeting each other saying "how do you do!", driving in and out of town using horse drawn carriages is pretty misleading!! that was not colonialism... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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prosperity my tiny black a**, Native americans score least on all indicators (except the health index where the come 2nd last after our brodas) in the U.S. http://ssrc-static.s3.am...moa/A_Century_Apart.pdf All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Waafrika tuwache excuses. I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic. What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Waafrika tuwache excuses.
I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic.
What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right. Has it ever occurred to you that they may be thinking that they are doing "right" in their own eyes? To a hammer every problem looks like a nail and it's not just "waafrika". Nimeona wazungu in some balkan countries you cannot find on the map doing EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. It's about exposure... and when that exposure happened. and plus... as it happened in the fable about belling a cat, the words of the old rat ring here Quote:IT IS EASY TO PROPOSE IMPOSSIBLE REMEDIES. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Waafrika tuwache excuses.
I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic.
What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right. Has it ever occurred to you that they may be thinking that they are doing "right" in their own eyes? To a hammer every problem looks like a nail and it's not just "waafrika". Nimeona wazungu in some balkan countries you cannot find on the map doing EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. It's about exposure... and when that exposure happened. and plus... as it happened in the fable about belling a cat, the words of the old rat ring here Quote:IT IS EASY TO PROPOSE IMPOSSIBLE REMEDIES. The consequences for their actions are there for all to see including them. They know whatever they are doing is to only benefit them, they have been told as much by the leaders trying to reconcile them but they are obviously unwilling to listen. Power may be irresistible but again when I look at our retired presidents, I see a very attractive alternative to the presidency. Thats what I mean by no need to reinvent the wheel, one does not have to be the president of a pool of blood or a mountain of skulls to achieve their life's goals. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Waafrika tuwache excuses.
I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic.
What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right. Has it ever occurred to you that they may be thinking that they are doing "right" in their own eyes? To a hammer every problem looks like a nail and it's not just "waafrika". Nimeona wazungu in some balkan countries you cannot find on the map doing EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. It's about exposure... and when that exposure happened. and plus... as it happened in the fable about belling a cat, the words of the old rat ring here Quote:IT IS EASY TO PROPOSE IMPOSSIBLE REMEDIES. The consequences for their actions are there for all to see including them. They know whatever they are doing is to only benefit them, they have been told as much by the leaders trying to reconcile them but they are obviously unwilling to listen. Power may be irresistible but again when I look at our retired presidents, I see a very attractive alternative to the presidency. Thats what I mean by no need to reinvent the wheel, one does not have to be the president of a pool of blood or a mountain of skulls to achieve their life's goals. Politics seems simple right? please note - I didn't say Easy I said Simple. Well it's not. Not in a setting of 60 indigenous ethnic groups and 80 linguistic partitions. Some larger than others and militant. With histories of clashing over land and pastures (think Pokomo and Orma type clashes at a macro level) with external dirty fingers of Arabs, Ethiopians, Ugandans, Kenyans and South Africans in the mix funding alternative centers of power by dream selling and placing an enemy in the narrative. There is a video by Garang somewhere talking about how ethnic groups are set against each other as counter-insurgent moves in the sudan from places like Khartom. Believe me when I say this - its a complex thing happening there in S.S. I can tell you for a fact that right now... Kiir and Machar are not in control of the sides they are purportedly heading. It's not simple and it's not easy - plus there guys who look at that place and say.. why did we fight the war? we need to be compensated. it's crazy any way - it's easy for us to prescribe solutions in blanket statements coz someone elses business is always easier that yours. I once flew over the Sudan saw the utter ruralness, the utter remoteness of that place. When I saw some mud huts nikaambiwa tumefika... The Airfields are grazing lands, where bells ring and people stop and as soon as a plane lands they are allowed to continue with their business. I saw a guy wait and as soon as a plane landed... he took off with this bike - kama kawaida. The airport was a single building with 2 rooms... one was VIP lounge and another was shared between the civil airoport authority and the airline's. Kupima mizigo ratili kama ile ya mahindi inatoewa and zinapimwa kwa nyasi. crazy... A whole state capital running on solar not a paved road in place. Umewahi ona round-about kwa barabara ya maruum? this was the capital of a state the size of coast province. Not a tarmac road in sight. Have you ever heard of the term "Africa - the dark continent"?... well - that place is a contributing factor to that narrative. I just decided watu wako mbali.... and stopped thinking i have solutions for them. Anyway - I once decided that I would stop thinking I have ideas for other people's issues and focus on mine (simple but not easy) and thus nimeruka nje - kazi ya kufanya S.S. work ni ya akina Kiir and Machar and Troika and anyone else who thinks they have leverage (stick and carrot) to make that place work. The only hope is that time is not running out... we are a blip in the existence of the universe. Not everything has to be right today or even in 100 years. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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The real pratagonists in the SS conflict are Paul Malong and James Gadet. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,716
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masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Waafrika tuwache excuses.
I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic.
What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right. Has it ever occurred to you that they may be thinking that they are doing "right" in their own eyes? To a hammer every problem looks like a nail and it's not just "waafrika". Nimeona wazungu in some balkan countries you cannot find on the map doing EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. It's about exposure... and when that exposure happened. and plus... as it happened in the fable about belling a cat, the words of the old rat ring here Quote:IT IS EASY TO PROPOSE IMPOSSIBLE REMEDIES. The consequences for their actions are there for all to see including them. They know whatever they are doing is to only benefit them, they have been told as much by the leaders trying to reconcile them but they are obviously unwilling to listen. Power may be irresistible but again when I look at our retired presidents, I see a very attractive alternative to the presidency. Thats what I mean by no need to reinvent the wheel, one does not have to be the president of a pool of blood or a mountain of skulls to achieve their life's goals. Politics seems simple right? please note - I didn't say Easy I said Simple. Well it's not. Not in a setting of 60 indigenous ethnic groups and 80 linguistic partitions. Some larger than others and militant. With histories of clashing over land and pastures (think Pokomo and Orma type clashes at a macro level) with external dirty fingers of Arabs, Ethiopians, Ugandans, Kenyans and South Africans in the mix funding alternative centers of power by dream selling and placing an enemy in the narrative. There is a video by Garang somewhere talking about how ethnic groups are set against each other as counter-insurgent moves in the sudan from places like Khartom. Believe me when I say this - its a complex thing happening there in S.S. I can tell you for a fact that right now... Kiir and Machar are not in control of the sides they are purportedly heading. It's not simple and it's not easy - plus there guys who look at that place and say.. why did we fight the war? we need to be compensated. it's crazy any way - it's easy for us to prescribe solutions in blanket statements coz someone elses business is always easier that yours. I once flew over the Sudan saw the utter ruralness, the utter remoteness of that place. When I saw some mud huts nikaambiwa tumefika... The Airfields are grazing lands, where bells ring and people stop and as soon as a plane lands they are allowed to continue with their business. I saw a guy wait and as soon as a plane landed... he took off with this bike - kama kawaida. The airport was a single building with 2 rooms... one was VIP lounge and another was shared between the civil airoport authority and the airline's. Kupima mizigo ratili kama ile ya mahindi inatoewa and zinapimwa kwa nyasi. crazy... A whole state capital running on solar not a paved road in place. Umewahi ona round-about kwa barabara ya maruum? this was the capital of a state the size of coast province. Not a tarmac road in sight. Have you ever heard of the term "Africa - the dark continent"?... well - that place is a contributing factor to that narrative. I just decided watu wako mbali.... and stopped thinking i have solutions for them. Anyway - I once decided that I would stop thinking I have ideas for other people's issues and focus on mine (simple but not easy) and thus nimeruka nje - kazi ya kufanya S.S. work ni ya akina Kiir and Machar and Troika and anyone else who thinks they have leverage (stick and carrot) to make that place work. The only hope is that time is not running out... we are a blip in the existence of the universe. Not everything has to be right today or even in 100 years. Very well said Masukuma. Just to add to that on the issue that Obi raises of "The consequences for their actions are there for all to see including them." This is at the heart of what makes any human relations difficult and politics as complex as it is. Just try one day after an argument with your spouse or girlfriend wait a day or two when things have cooled down and try to revisit the issue at hand and see how differently you will recall what the problem was. Chances are you may end up having the argument all over again as you try to correct each others obviously wrong point of view. Now in a country with millions of individuals there is nothing that is obvious even when they see the same thing it is interpreted in millions of different ways. I once watched an interview of the late Ezekiel Barng'etuny that he gave a short time before he passed away. In his view the greatest president Kenya ever had was Daniel Toroitich arap Moi. Listening to him I could not disagree because from his point of view there could never have been a president who would have affected his life as positively as Moi did. He knew him personally from childhood and he could see how his situation and the people he knew had benefited during Moi's presidency. I can only imagine that leaders such as Kiir and Machar are surrounded by Barngetunys who assure them that they are on the right path and they are the best in the world.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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@Masukuma & @Kusadikika Look, I do appreciate that the world is not the same and that circustances differ, but there is nothing in life that's as complicated as everyone tries to make it. Use a simple example; If you are in class, assume class 1. At the end of the term, you become number last and score 15% while the top student scores 90% and the average class performance is 50%, why would you not appreciate that you are doing badly and need; (i) work harder and pull up your socks (ii) get advise from other students who performed better (iii) copy from your desk mate who performed better. My friends, that's just about it with regards to life, nothings as complicated as people try to make it. Everything is simple, you just need to appreciate your limitations, if you can't then you are the problem as Kiir and Machar currently are for SS. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Masukuma & @Kusadikika
Look, I do appreciate that the world is not the same and that circustances differ, but there is nothing in life that's as complicated as everyone tries to make it.
Use a simple example;
If you are in class, assume class 1. At the end of the term, you become number last and score 15% while the top student scores 90% and the average class performance is 50%, why would you not appreciate that you are doing badly and need; (i) work harder and pull up your socks (ii) get advise from other students who performed better (iii) copy from your desk mate who performed better.
My friends, that's just about it with regards to life, nothings as complicated as people try to make it. Everything is simple, you just need to appreciate your limitations, if you can't then you are the problem as Kiir and Machar currently are for SS. Ah.. but you are not in the same class! that's the point! this class does not exist. Each nation is in it's own class and there is no curriculum. the settings of each student are different. Some settings may look similar but as soon as you scratch the surface you realise they are not. and then it's a continuum. some people did what you are doing in 'class 1' 500 years ago, some did it 276 years ago - some have not! some found themselves in class 2 but in a different context with their own challenges. Which country can south sudan copy from? right? this country needs to have the following (from the top of my head conditions) 1)+50 ethnic groups and interests 2) 60 years of civil war 3) thick and remoteness and low population density 4) a 27% literacy level having 70% of the people between 6-17 years having not been in school 5) The people you can rely on are the educated elite that all have 2 or more passports and have tasted a better life outside. 6) internal distrust among it's people due to historical events 7) a landlocked nation whose only source of income is oil (98% of revenue comes from that black substance). <--- from which a neighbouring country deducts $25 a barrel for 'transit' and sometimes is literally stolen. 8) other centers of power cropping up (Somalia style) in forms of generals who do as they please since they fought a war against the arabs and "won". The army consumes 40% of the budget 9) Majority of all the employed people are employed as soldiers by the way and salaries take up about 90% of the gava expenditure. Heck... the country does not even have working ATMs. ukitoka hapa - uende kama umejipanga!! it's easy to propose solutions when you think everyone is in the same class....but people are not! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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I agree with @Obi whats so hard to see, the guys know they are messing up their people, Kiir and Machar are not some savages who have never seen life outside ss, especially Machar the guy has seen, experienced and been exposed to different societies. I can understand if the soldiers do not know anything different, but I am sure the leadership is well exposed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Obi has a valid point. All nation states are in one class by virtue of polity. All nation states are presumed to be competent enough for self rule and determination and have a vast back up of traditions and laws that extend beyond each existing state.
This places the burden of critical thinking on leaders of any state and its citizens. When leaders and citizens fail to take up their duties then we can say that they are being reckless or negligent.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Masukuma & @Kusadikika
Look, I do appreciate that the world is not the same and that circustances differ, but there is nothing in life that's as complicated as everyone tries to make it.
Use a simple example;
If you are in class, assume class 1. At the end of the term, you become number last and score 15% while the top student scores 90% and the average class performance is 50%, why would you not appreciate that you are doing badly and need; (i) work harder and pull up your socks (ii) get advise from other students who performed better (iii) copy from your desk mate who performed better.
My friends, that's just about it with regards to life, nothings as complicated as people try to make it. Everything is simple, you just need to appreciate your limitations, if you can't then you are the problem as Kiir and Machar currently are for SS. Ah.. but you are not in the same class! that's the point! this class does not exist. Each nation is in it's own class and there is no curriculum. the settings of each student are different. Some settings may look similar but as soon as you scratch the surface you realise they are not. and then it's a continuum. some people did what you are doing in 'class 1' 500 years ago, some did it 276 years ago - some have not! some found themselves in class 2 but in a different context with their own challenges. Which country can south sudan copy from? right? this country needs to have the following (from the top of my head conditions) 1)+50 ethnic groups and interests 2) 60 years of civil war 3) thick and remoteness and low population density 4) a 27% literacy level having 70% of the people between 6-17 years having not been in school 5) The people you can rely on are the educated elite that all have 2 or more passports and have tasted a better life outside. 6) internal distrust among it's people due to historical events 7) a landlocked nation whose only source of income is oil (98% of revenue comes from that black substance). <--- from which a neighbouring country deducts $25 a barrel for 'transit' and sometimes is literally stolen. 8) other centers of power cropping up (Somalia style) in forms of generals who do as they please since they fought a war against the arabs and "won". The army consumes 40% of the budget 9) Majority of all the employed people are employed as soldiers by the way and salaries take up about 90% of the gava expenditure. Heck... the country does not even have working ATMs. ukitoka hapa - uende kama umejipanga!! it's easy to propose solutions when you think everyone is in the same class....but people are not! Sorry bro but I disagree, in this instance, SS is in the same class as USA/Japan etc, its called nationhood, at some point they all assemble as equals at UN sessions (ignore the veto power for now), they parade at the olympics as competing nations etc. and are therefore measured by the same stick. You may sympathize with where SS finds itself now but unfortunately that's the hand they got dealt. Time is merciless and waits for no man. When their GDP rises by 10%, the leadership is hailed as doing well regardless of the fact that the total GDP of the country is probably still smaller than that of yahoo (the current laughing stock of corporate America) The Americans are already asking for an upgrade to Pokemon go while the SS are praying to see the next sunrise, what their leaders need to focus on is meeting the expectations of their people. Success is relative, that's why you can measure it across unrelated matters. So in my eyes, they are perfectly comparable "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Different schools but same class. Whether one is in the most prestigious or most run-down school all face the same things. For example, when better technology comes along, SS will not say (corporately or individually), since we are not at par with others we will not use those satellite dishes and iphones and apps etc. If they ever say that I want to know.
They cannot wish to have and use and own contemporary conveniences but if requested to change their behaviours and destructive inclinations they say leave us alone. They can make themselves look foolish.
They fought and then they voted for independence so that they could "develop". Are they doing what they hoped they will do? Are they "developing"?
If they are not they need to do something about it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Like all ratios GDP is dependent on two things - the numerator and the denominator. 10% growth from of 1 shilling is 1.10 shillings. 10% of 1 trillion shillings is an additional 100 billion! you can increase a ratio by tweaking either in the case of SS - the denominator is so small that any movement on the numerator is profound. Secondly people don't vote for independence so that they can "develop" - they vote for independence so that they can control their destiny! "development" is not the all and all of of human existence. "development" is a by-product. People keep on asking why people in libya went through the arab spring and they were "developed". it's because they had expression issues. humans don't exist for the sake of "development". But you are right in one way - time is a cruel master - it waits for no man and since we have all swallowed the narrative of a never ending "race" to unknown destination (possibly resulting from our nature to try and dominate on others). each nation state is in competition with the other for top dog. And in that race S.S. is behind. We would like to think that we are on one track running but the reality is -we are not! not even within the same nation. Since utajiri wako hunisaidii unless i am somehow connected to you. Anyway - let's continue with the endless dictates on how to bell that cat. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Masukuma is slowly becoming tycho! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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