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'Brave new world' - conversation on postmodern cosmology.
tycho
#121 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 12:12:42 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:


That is, you'd have to prove that there's no human being. Can you?



@Tycho: First I assume you are a human 'being' even though you refused to tell me what exactly it is that you are' being.'

I think I have proved to 'you' that you don't exist. If the reality we take for granted is an illusion, how could you exist? How could heaven/hell exist?

So would you still believe in God if you knew there was no pot of honey at the end of the rainbow? You can be honest, now. You are among friends.


How can you prove something that doesn't exist. To prove, you have to show.

And how can you show an illusion that another illusion exists or doesn't exist; and consequently 'ask' if the illusion believes in the illusion?

I think you are taking this Illusionist business too far!

But if by 'real' you mean 'significant', then of course illusions are real. But so is reality real!
tycho
#122 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 12:17:29 AM
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@Wakanyugi, simply put, being is energy.

Human being is energy defined by the limits God > Man and God = Man.

So being is experiencing anything between those limits.
Wakanyugi
#123 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 12:27:49 AM
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tycho wrote:

I have been thinking about Teleporting, and its implications on daily life.

One will be able to will his/her electronic image to transact with others.

And I wouldn't say that the Teleported me is an illusion! Why? The energic flow paths and registered energy changes exist!



I would like to agree with you here. But I am afraid only up to a point.

When you speak of Energy flows, I assume you are implying that teleportation is about moving stuff from one place to the other.

Allow me to disagree. There is no moving stuff if there is no space or time.

In my opinion teleportation is about willing a differently configured reality around you, or the object you wish to 'teleport.'

It also requires a congruence of perception, shared frequency signatures of the willed reality, otherwise the 'other' would not perceive your teleported self or object.

We do this all the time - when we imagine, dream, miss someone etc. It becomes memorable only when we receive validation that we actually teleported.

I understand some people can do this at will.

Here is an experiment in teleportation: "I have several different objects on the table where I am writing this. At least one of these items will give you an idea of my location. Can you 'guess' where where I am?' A single letter will do."
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
tycho
#124 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 12:28:21 AM
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Let me ask you @Wakanyugi,

Do illusions exist?
tycho
#125 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 12:31:16 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:

I have been thinking about Teleporting, and its implications on daily life.

One will be able to will his/her electronic image to transact with others.

And I wouldn't say that the Teleported me is an illusion! Why? The energic flow paths and registered energy changes exist!



I would like to agree with you here. But I am afraid only up to a point.

When you speak of Energy flows, I assume you are implying that teleportation is about moving stuff from one place to the other.

Allow me to disagree. There is no moving stuff if there is no space or time.

In my opinion teleportation is about willing a differently configured reality around you, or the object you wish to 'teleport.'

It also requires a congruence of perception, shared frequency signatures of the willed reality, otherwise the 'other' would not perceive your teleported self or object.

We do this all the time - when we imagine, dream, miss someone etc. It becomes memorable only when we receive validation that we actually teleported.

I understand some people can do this at will.

Here is an experiment in teleportation: "I have several different objects on the table where I am writing this. At least one of these items will give you an idea of my location. Can you 'guess' where where I am?' A single letter will do."


Energy is 'stuff'. Frequency is motion of stuff.

And, how can there be different 'things' on a table without motion?
Wakanyugi
#126 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 6:46:54 PM
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tycho wrote:
Let me ask you @Wakanyugi,

Do illusions exist?



Yes, if you permit them

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#127 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 6:48:50 PM
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tycho wrote:


How can you prove something that doesn't exist. To prove, you have to show.


Fair enough. You insist that God exists.

Show me.


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
tycho
#128 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 7:24:19 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:


How can you prove something that doesn't exist. To prove, you have to show.


Fair enough. You insist that God exists.

Show me.




Justify the need and validity of a proof first.

Otherwise, our mental frequencies will fail to 'move together'.

I may be pursuing an illusion and I have other REALISTIC things to pursue.


ChessMaster
#129 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:56:19 PM
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@tycho - How is a perceptual system supposed to work? Two ways I view teleportation.First one would be to transfer matter from one place to another. Second one would be to convert matter in another place to replicate the matter of the object.Basically a photocopy.

@Wakanyugi - The limits of imagination are based on knowledge and knowledge is based on perception.

I don't like bringing Christianity into issues.I prefer my actions speak for themselves.But on that note,I know that God exists.Its not up for me to prove to others that He does,its up to others to find out,if they want.Heaven and hell begins here on earth. Illusion is a part of reality not the whole of reality.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#130 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 5:41:43 AM
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Of late I'm obsessed with numbers. My favourite number is 9. If you add the digits of any multiple of 9,they always add up to nine.Always.I think numbers are one of the languages of the universe.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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