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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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drzhivago wrote:I would engage you but judging from this post and my other experiences reading your other posts, you never make any sense, so I leave you and your mumbo jumbo ramblings alone....Ramble on....  this @tycho is really having fun with you and i can tell he's enjoying it. he makes no sense to you coz he's coming from a level that's deeper than you can fathom. he could tell you more but then you'd totally find yourself in knots [/quote] ...Ati level that is deeper?????lol....Where would that level be? In a mental health hospital? Coz that's where this tycho character belongs...This just shows that people like you with low IQ's are really easy to impress....All you need to do to impress you is string a line of words together that make no sense and suddenly dingbats like you think that that hogwash is a deeper level....
I guess to you, nonsense like "abracadabra duck billed platypus in sandals" is a deeper level too? lol...What a flimsy character you are....too easily impressed by nonsense..
There is a difference between deeper level and nonsense....You are the one that needs to not get your knickers in a bunch trying to sound like you are a deeper thinker than you really are....Dude, nothing and nobody fazes me, I can tell a deeper level and a mental case and this guy is definitely the latter...This tycho is a gone case, people all over this website have been ignoring him because he just never makes any sense and it's meaningless to engage him.....But at least he is impressing some dimwits like yourself so he is not entirely wasting his time..
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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tycho wrote:@hamburglar, you are saying that you strive to do good, and this goodness is a product of nurture and is enforced by your conscience.
The good you do involves giving alms, and curing cancer.
You are mortal and weak or mortal but 'strong'.
Talk about nurture is talk about culture and in your case you are saying that goodness is a cultural construct. By pledging loyalty to conscience you are pledging loyalty to the culture in your head.
Now I wonder, isn't this a kind of theism?
Of what import is conscious decision making if it doesn't offer opportunity to choose?
Surely, not questioning your conscience is a kind of death!
Your sense of goodness involves giving alms. Obviously this involves some social stratification. 'I am better than'. This caste system is responsible for millions of children every day. And I believe is a contributor to cancer cases, and many other deaths. Yet you support it with your 'goodness'.
But you are also busy working for a cancer cure. Will you do it alone? Of course not! Now start working with others in projects that are longer than your life spans. And say that there are no ideals to strive for and obey without question. Your goodness immediately disappears.
You need 'God' in order to speak. Philosophy dies without God. For philosophy is about seeing and knowing everything, and in extension, doing everything.
You making a philosophical statement implies you believe in philosophy.
You are powerless, even in God's absence. Do you think goodness would prevail if we all ranted against God? That is, is this the cure for cancer? So, of what good is your atheism?
Or is the trully good God the God of universal atheism?
You say that you do good out of duty. Isn't this pathetic?
But then consider doing good out of love. Isn't this praise worthy?
And God is love. Or will you say that love doesn't exist?
Tycho, I have a test for you..Please take the test before I can engage you any further....
yes no Do you consider yourself sane?
yes no Are you willingly taking this test?
yes no Do you ever talk to plants?
yes no Do you ever talk to inanimate objects?
yes no Do you ever talk to yourself?
yes no Have you ever had a meaningful conversation with any of the above?
yes no Do you ever hear voices in your head?
yes no If so do you ever talk to the voices in your head?
yes no Do you often not understand what the voices are talking about?
yes no Have you ever been admitted to a psychiatric institution?
yes no Do you always keep to 30 miles per hour speed limits (whilst driving a car)?
yes no Do you enjoy setting fire to things?
yes no Are the buckles on your shirt too tight?
yes no Do you check under your bed before you go to sleep?
yes no Do people tend to stare at you?
yes no Is Elvis Presley alive?
yes no Do you name your possessions? ( cars, computers, socks? )
yes no Have you ever tried to play a record backwards to search for hidden messages?
yes no If so, have you ever found any?
yes no Do you hear people calling your name on the background of certain records?
yes no Do you ever change subjects in the middle of a sentence?
yes no When you are bored do you sometimes light matches just to watch them burn?
yes no Do you sometimes tessalate 3-Dimensional shapes (e.g. not cubes) in your head when you get bored?
yes no Have you ever set fire to ants with a magnifying glass.? lol
yes no Do you often walk into walls?
yes no Are you capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time? lol
yes no Has a doctor ever recommended that you wear a helmet to avoid injury incase you walk into a lamp post?
yes no Do you lick your elbows?
yes no Do you still think Moi is Kenya's president?
yes no Do you sit on your TV to watch the couch?
yes no When people talk to you, do they give you that look? you know, the "is this guy nuts?" look....
And last but not least, do you look left and right or up and down before you cross a road?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Dia wrote:Methinks, hamburglar should just dare this sovereign being who others think exists, to prove himself if he does exist.  In the meantime, type away hamburglar. Gladly so....
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2007 Posts: 38
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hamburglar wrote:drzhivago wrote:I would engage you but judging from this post and my other experiences reading your other posts, you never make any sense, so I leave you and your mumbo jumbo ramblings alone....Ramble on.... this @tycho is really having fun with you and i can tell he's enjoying it. he makes no sense to you coz he's coming from a level that's deeper than you can fathom. he could tell you more but then you'd totally find yourself in knots ...Ati level that is deeper?????lol....Where would that level be? In a mental health hospital? Coz that's where this tycho character belongs...This just shows that people like you with low IQ's are really easy to impress....All you need to do to impress you is string a line of words together that make no sense and suddenly dingbats like you think that that hogwash is a deeper level....
I guess to you, nonsense like "abracadabra duck billed platypus in sandals" is a deeper level too? lol...What a flimsy character you are....too easily impressed by nonsense..
There is a difference between deeper level and nonsense....You are the one that needs to not get your knickers in a bunch trying to sound like you are a deeper thinker than you really are....Dude, nothing and nobody fazes me, I can tell a deeper level and a mental case and this guy is definitely the latter...This tycho is a gone case, people all over this website have been ignoring him because he just never makes any sense and it's meaningless to engage him.....But at least he is impressing some dimwits like yourself so he is not entirely wasting his time..[/quote]
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2007 Posts: 38
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hamburglar wrote:drzhivago wrote:I would engage you but judging from this post and my other experiences reading your other posts, you never make any sense, so I leave you and your mumbo jumbo ramblings alone....Ramble on.... this @tycho is really having fun with you and i can tell he's enjoying it. he makes no sense to you coz he's coming from a level that's deeper than you can fathom. he could tell you more but then you'd totally find yourself in knots ...Ati level that is deeper?????lol....Where would that level be? In a mental health hospital? Coz that's where this tycho character belongs...This just shows that people like you with low IQ's are really easy to impress....All you need to do to impress you is string a line of words together that make no sense and suddenly dingbats like you think that that hogwash is a deeper level....
I guess to you, nonsense like "abracadabra duck billed platypus in sandals" is a deeper level too? lol...What a flimsy character you are....too easily impressed by nonsense..
There is a difference between deeper level and nonsense....You are the one that needs to not get your knickers in a bunch trying to sound like you are a deeper thinker than you really are....Dude, nothing and nobody fazes me, I can tell a deeper level and a mental case and this guy is definitely the latter...This tycho is a gone case, people all over this website have been ignoring him because he just never makes any sense and it's meaningless to engage him.....But at least he is impressing some dimwits like yourself so he is not entirely wasting his time..[/quote]
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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drzhivago wrote: this @tycho is really having fun with you and i can tell he's enjoying it. he makes no sense to you coz he's coming from a level that's deeper than you can fathom. he could tell you more but then you'd totally find yourself in knots I understand Tycho well. I see where he is coming from and where he wants to go to with the man-god philosophy. Let me rally behind this new ager and see how far it goes. Biologically, our cells do something called apoptosis. This is programmed cell death. Normal cells in the body follow an orderly path of growth, division, and death. If we did not get new cells we would get disorders such as dementia and alzheimers. If we get too many new cells well we get cancer. If that is the case, why do we still have our memories as far back as childhood? Did not the brain cells that had those information die and get replaced by 'new' ones. Why the continuity of memory? How can this be explained? Preferably without cavil. Those who were brave enough and dared to think about these issues, like @Tycho & others, and made an attempt to answer them (without ridiculing others) gravitated towards 1 of 2 poles. Those who have never made an attempt to ponder about them, well.....say there is a 3rd pole....... yet they have never pondered them ....... circular reasoning. Circular reasoning is often of the form: "a is true because b is true; therefore, b is true because a is true." Circular reasoning can be difficult to detect if it involves a longer chain of propositions. This is what is being thrust on Wazuans, spiced with ridicule. And Wazuans, save @Tycho, fearing to be made fun of are shying away from confronting it. Shame on us. And to cap it.... Quote:According to David Hume's problem of induction, science cannot be proven inductively by empirical evidence, and thus science cannot be proven scientifically..... There!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2007 Posts: 38
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drzhivago wrote:hamburglar wrote:drzhivago wrote:I would engage you but judging from this post and my other experiences reading your other posts, you never make any sense, so I leave you and your mumbo jumbo ramblings alone....Ramble on.... this @tycho is really having fun with you and i can tell he's enjoying it. he makes no sense to you coz he's coming from a level that's deeper than you can fathom. he could tell you more but then you'd totally find yourself in knots ...Ati level that is deeper?????lol....Where would that level be? In a mental health hospital? Coz that's where this tycho character belongs...This just shows that people like you with low IQ's are really easy to impress....All you need to do to impress you is string a line of words together that make no sense and suddenly dingbats like you think that that hogwash is a deeper level....
I guess to you, nonsense like "abracadabra duck billed platypus in sandals" is a deeper level too? lol...What a flimsy character you are....too easily impressed by nonsense..
There is a difference between deeper level and nonsense....You are the one that needs to not get your knickers in a bunch trying to sound like you are a deeper thinker than you really are....Dude, nothing and nobody fazes me, I can tell a deeper level and a mental case and this guy is definitely the latter...This tycho is a gone case, people all over this website have been ignoring him because he just never makes any sense and it's meaningless to engage him.....But at least he is impressing some dimwits like yourself so he is not entirely wasting his time.. Bravo!  You have very artistic insults everyone respects you now. And to think a civilized atheist like you would be more tolerant of dimwits like me! Boy they don't get more militant than this! i guess its true that those on the extremes of both theism and atheism are exactly the same. they are just 2 sides of the same coin. do you have any idea how it sounds to attack the persona of a someone you don't know? but i forgive you. i totally get where you are coming from. let me enlighten you a little. the dr on my handle isn't my 1st degree. i am a practicing scientist in a very vibrant field of research. i am not entirely sure my colleagues most who are distinguished scientists or the academics that review my works for publication or the scientific audiences that sit in on the international conferences where i get invited to speak would agree with your assessment of me as dimwitted and of low IQ. but i guess you can always deny that i am not what i say i am, or that some of us doctorates and professors have lower IQ than you, you know, just so that i can fit in your prescribed frame? so you think you know stuff? you have all the answers, mr big shot atheist? so everything has to make sense to you otherwise it must be gobbledygook? let me show you a few and you tell me how much they appeal to your superior common sense; does quantum superposition or entanglement make sense to you? do you think its sound science? do the theoretical workings of the wormholes sound sensible? does the fact that there is the so called junk DNA make sense? how is it that epigenetics works, contravening all previously held models of inheritance? what constitutes of dark energy? ever heard of Godel's theorem of incompleteness? or Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of wave/particle duality of matter? Show me how these (and much more) make sense to anyone and i will show you a liar. what is much more dangerous that lack of knowledge is the illusion of knowledge. i can guarantee you you haven't begun to learn nothing yet. and with a closed up mind like yours you won't be learning anything substantial any time soon. perhaps you could start reading and trying to understand quantum mechanics for dummies. only then can you begin to actually appreciate how little you know and next time you speak or post anything here you will remember how really ignorant you are. so you say Gates and Buffet are atheistic or agnostic and stop at that. do you have any idea what else they know that they don't let out in public? you read some media report and take it just for that? talk of impressionable! oh, and @tycho doesn't impress me at all. i totally get him. he has taken time to study and and understand while you obviously have not. his spirituality and my science and philosophy coincide in the fields where the divide between then is fuzzy or non-existent at all. i will close by saying; those that say don't know, and those that really know don't tell. not that they wouldn't like to but then they would have to ignite the trouble of dealing with the likes of you. you don't know nothing ...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,225 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Wow!!! ati @ the burger should start by trying to understand quantum mechanics for dummies.. ... Im waiting to hear him out on this..... Surely every man must meet his match. In the fullness of time! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,225 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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There was once a song,and a movie titled....only fools rush in! Time to go back to Quantum Mech 101 @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@hamburglar, I have done, and I have all these things you have asked.
And, this is not the first time
I am meeting an atheist with good things for me. Kindly accept my regards.
Your emphasis on fire has brought me many thoughts. In fact the voices in my head have been crying, 'Prometheus unbound!' And not until you came could I understand them.
You are the boy with the magnifying glass trying to disrupt the ant colony. You like burning people and things with your word, the magnifying glass.
But here is your defeat. I know you. I have embraced your being and now you have nothing else to do than burn yourself to the last bit. I say this in tears, for surely I love you! You are me!
But is it not time for a new world of the Man God being fully conscious of himself?
Why is my mind filled with crying and wailing? '. . . Do you remember the days of slavery?' Why am I crying?
See, the world is full of conflict, and pain. Is this how things are supposed to be? Behold we are Man God, and we only have to speak, and it shall be done!@
Let us all break all barriers and chains by realizing that we are one.
And let us establish a new world of peace, love and consciousness for all.
Surely, what doesn't the Man God have? Isn't every thing possible for him?
Let us all speak!
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