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#121 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:06:59 PM
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@a4architect.com please lets not talk about planners they cannot reverse the mess in mavoko the place would have been better if it had been left bare for the giraffes and zebras to graze around as they used to before.
I think bwana architect you can enjoy the opportunity for you since you are in the real estate business make your money and move on those of us who'll be interested in moving to Konza can move to konza wale wengine can remain in Nairobi.
Next chapter lets talk about Isiolo I think you'd better see the ministry handling the project and make sure they don't buy the land !!



@ jamplu.Previous planners around Nairobi before 2002-2005 were not qualified.Thats how chaos in planning came about. Now they are all registered planners with good credentials. I know most of them personally.

This is a discussion aimed to shape our minds and assist policy makers make the best decision on using our tax payer money-no one is right or wrong.

Our tax payer money is involved so we have a right to inquire into its use.
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#122 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:08:29 PM
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I visited the Konza website and anyone who has visited it would agree with the sceptics here. It appears more like Tatu city- a place to live, work and play. They give no emphasis to IT. However, I see no problem with govt involvement in Real Estate. Govt spending spurs investment. Is Konza the first city to be constructed with govt assistance? Konza as a real estate project will be successful. Am not sure about the IT part...I am a Land Economist by training too
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#123 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:13:34 PM
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#124 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:15:24 PM
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@ l olest..good to know you are a land economist.
Govt spending in infrastructure spur investment.
Govt spending in buying land to sell to its own citizens is competition with its citizens.
It can result to inflation/excessive printing of currency and the high land prices due to hoarding effect/scarcity and speculation result to lower productivity on citizens=poverty.

My arguments are not cast in stone so feel free to counter-argue .
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#125 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:03:34 PM
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@jamplu unless you are getting hybrid planners also in Konza, the same guys you are talking about in mavoko will be in Konza. The same people who are supposed to ensure that laws and bylaws are followed now in Nairobi will be the same guys at Konza. Unless of course even that you will import.

Nairobi's problem has never been planning. It has been governance. The very same people now telling you to go to Konza, are the very same governors and managers that have failed in Nairobi. These include Proffesors Ndemo and Kiamba.

The reason why I'm against this whole concept is this notion that new cities change how people work.

When London had a serious problem with drainage, they did not move the city somewhere else, they came up with the engineering marvel that is the sewage system in London.

When Paris had a trash problem, they did not create another city, they fixed the problem the best they could and are still doing the same.

When Kenya has a problem, the technocrats decide to create a whole new cities with the same managers who messed up the first city, In the hope that things will be different.

Think Big doesn't mean sweep problems under the carpet.

As long as there is no ICT component in Konza, it will be competing against Tatu. Now I want to wager which of the two will be a better city.
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#126 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:00:02 AM
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@alma..very true

Malaysia had to move the Headquarter of Government to the new city, Putrajaya.
Majority of Putrajaya residents are civil servants.
The city was funded through oil sale proceeds by Petronas.

Oil money and moving of Government Hq to Putrajaya has made the city to thrive.

Unfortunately, after 10 years, the city is still not a thriving business capital.

Businessmen will be attracted when factors of production are lowered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putrajaya

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In 2002, a high speed rail link called KLIA Transit was opened, linking Putrajaya to both Kuala Lumpur and KL International Airport in Sepang. However, construction of the Putrajaya Monorail which was intended to be the city's metro system, was suspended due to costs. One of the monorail suspension bridges in Putrajaya remains unused.

In 2007, the population of Putrajaya was estimated to be over 30,000, which comprised mainly government servants.


http://www.malaysian-exp...-putrajayaGoodMove.html

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/11831

http://www.nytimes.com/2...?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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#127 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:45:04 AM
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Am happy to see Wazuans having a go at Konza. I struggle to appreciate the whole concept other than it is Nyandemo's (et al) scheme to hype an idea for them to cash in speculation on land prices.
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#128 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:52:16 AM
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@GGK..thanks.
Malaysia's Putrajaya was funded by Petronas, Malaysia National Oil company.
It was further supported by Govt moving its HQ from Kuala Lumpur to Putrajaya.

http://offshoreman.net/o...l-and-gas-jobs-blog/312

Konza City can be successful if Ministry of Info can seek funders such as NSSF, National Oil,'Turkana Oil', Universities e.t.c as opposed to direct cash from treasury.
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#129 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:57:43 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@GGK..thanks.
Malaysia's Putrajaya was funded by Petronas, Malaysia National Oil company.
It was further supported by Govt moving its HQ from Kuala Lumpur to Putrajaya.

http://offshoreman.net/o...l-and-gas-jobs-blog/312

Konza City can be successful if Ministry of Info can seek funders such as NSSF, National Oil, Universities e.t.c as opposed to direct cash from treasury.


Is funding the problem or the projects viability? Why can't Kenyans do things in their own way, do we have to copy and paste what others are doing? Shouldn't National Oil be thinking of transforming itself to Saudis Aramco? By the way, have you seen the automation in Aramco. Do some research and you will notice we have a long way to go. It is my believe that Americans succeed because they seek to do things differently and in their own way...notice they even changed the queens language.
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#130 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:09:04 AM
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It doesn't matter if you do things your way or another person's way. If it is the wrong way it is the wrong way.

Now saying we don't want to copy and paste is rather strange. Considering that we wish to copy and paste other country's technology cities

There has to be an extra reason why Konza is using public funding.

If it is because Nairobi cannot attract investors because of fire hoses, then the problem is not Nairobi, the problem is bureaucrats who don't follow laid down regulations which are going to be copied in Konza. so instead of creating a new city, then fire the bueracrats.

If the problem is lack of ict talent, then don't create a city, work with the ministry of education to come up with a working model to churn out it guys.

We are solving the wrong problems here.

What is the problem being solved at Konza? lets start there. Otherwise we might as well allow the ministry of transport to start a matatu business since matatus are a menace.
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