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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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nostoppingthis wrote:@Thiong'o, do you expect conclusive investigation by this committee!!? especially that the power wielders are adversely "mentioned"...akina Moha know who the pro-PNU ministers, assistant ministers et al are...and also in light of Wambui's daughter hanging out with the 2 brothers.... I wait to see that report, now that it wasn't mentioned who is in the committee and a timeframe for the final report.... and I still think akina Moha have more evidence...just waiting for government objection to these allegations... Police spokesman already alikataa. NOTHING will happen. Si mara ya kwanza and definitely si ya mwisho... GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/17/2008 Posts: 1,234
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Whatever the truth in this series, I am disappointed that Moha & co did not tell us all sides of the story. For one how could they have missed the Police Inquest that investigated Chemorei's killing? They should down lay all "facts" then we are left to judge for ourselves. At least they should have gotten hold of the rulings in the inquest and told us about the inquest's conclusions.
Page 17 Sunday Nation 13th Nov 2011
"The program creates an impression that the death of late Erastus Chemorei was covered up and was never properly investigated. The truth is that this death was exhaustively investigated by police and later by the Principal Magistrate’s Court in Eldoret through a public inquest. During the public inquest, the family was represented by an advocate of the high court in Kenya. A total of 39 witnesses were grilled by the court and the family lawyer, among them about 20 police officers. Due to our sensitivity to traditions in respect of deceased people and consideration for the feelings of the family of the late, we are constrained from discussing a lot of details surrounding this matter.
However we wish to inform the public that public inquest proceedings are public documents and accessible to all. We also take this opportunity to invite any person wishing to examine the Police Case File in respect of this case to come and do so in order to decide for themselves on the veracity of evidence adduced and the rulings thereon. It is our opinion that the matter was professionally investigated and the court findings were judiciously reached. The firearms recovered were examined and found to have been used in other robbery incidents in Kitale area and none of them were found to have been owned by any government agency. We also observe that the family was represented by a competent advocate of the high court, who enjoys a reputation for professional independence. It is not plausible that he could have failed to file an appeal if he had found grounds to do so. The same applies to all the other cases mentioned in this propaganda"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Laughable.....hapa mtu amekula! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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Mpenzi wrote:Whatever the truth in this series, I am disappointed that Moha & co did not tell us all sides of the story. For one how could they have missed the Police Inquest that investigated Chemorei's killing? They should down lay all "facts" then we are left to judge for ourselves. At least they should have gotten hold of the rulings in the inquest and told us about the inquest's conclusions.
Page 17 Sunday Nation 13th Nov 2011
"The program creates an impression that the death of late Erastus Chemorei was covered up and was never properly investigated. The truth is that this death was exhaustively investigated by police and later by the Principal Magistrate’s Court in Eldoret through a public inquest. During the public inquest, the family was represented by an advocate of the high court in Kenya. A total of 39 witnesses were grilled by the court and the family lawyer, among them about 20 police officers. Due to our sensitivity to traditions in respect of deceased people and consideration for the feelings of the family of the late, we are constrained from discussing a lot of details surrounding this matter.
However we wish to inform the public that public inquest proceedings are public documents and accessible to all. We also take this opportunity to invite any person wishing to examine the Police Case File in respect of this case to come and do so in order to decide for themselves on the veracity of evidence adduced and the rulings thereon. It is our opinion that the matter was professionally investigated and the court findings were judiciously reached. The firearms recovered were examined and found to have been used in other robbery incidents in Kitale area and none of them were found to have been owned by any government agency. We also observe that the family was represented by a competent advocate of the high court, who enjoys a reputation for professional independence. It is not plausible that he could have failed to file an appeal if he had found grounds to do so. The same applies to all the other cases mentioned in this propaganda" If KTN is found to have tinkered with our emotions - with an intention to control public psyche - they should be made to pay a very heavy price! I dont condone drug running along with the unholy influence its Barons seem to wield. That is however no licence for anybody to seek to fiddle around, clearly appealing to emotions as the KTN episode was calculated to. Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rank: User Joined: 8/29/2011 Posts: 1,045 Location: Mtaani
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:nostoppingthis wrote:@Thiong'o, do you expect conclusive investigation by this committee!!? especially that the power wielders are adversely "mentioned"...akina Moha know who the pro-PNU ministers, assistant ministers et al are...and also in light of Wambui's daughter hanging out with the 2 brothers.... I wait to see that report, now that it wasn't mentioned who is in the committee and a timeframe for the final report.... and I still think akina Moha have more evidence...just waiting for government objection to these allegations... Police spokesman already alikataa. NOTHING will happen. Si mara ya kwanza and definitely si ya mwisho... lakini si kuna serekali mbili moja ya raila na ingine ya kibaki..gani imekataa na gani imeitkia ??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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ktn story may not have been balanced but from what the witnesses are saying, the gava is not clean on the matter... If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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B.Timer wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Whatever the truth in this series, I am disappointed that Moha & co did not tell us all sides of the story. For one how could they have missed the Police Inquest that investigated Chemorei's killing? They should down lay all "facts" then we are left to judge for ourselves. At least they should have gotten hold of the rulings in the inquest and told us about the inquest's conclusions.
Page 17 Sunday Nation 13th Nov 2011
"The program creates an impression that the death of late Erastus Chemorei was covered up and was never properly investigated. The truth is that this death was exhaustively investigated by police and later by the Principal Magistrate’s Court in Eldoret through a public inquest. During the public inquest, the family was represented by an advocate of the high court in Kenya. A total of 39 witnesses were grilled by the court and the family lawyer, among them about 20 police officers. Due to our sensitivity to traditions in respect of deceased people and consideration for the feelings of the family of the late, we are constrained from discussing a lot of details surrounding this matter.
However we wish to inform the public that public inquest proceedings are public documents and accessible to all. We also take this opportunity to invite any person wishing to examine the Police Case File in respect of this case to come and do so in order to decide for themselves on the veracity of evidence adduced and the rulings thereon. It is our opinion that the matter was professionally investigated and the court findings were judiciously reached. The firearms recovered were examined and found to have been used in other robbery incidents in Kitale area and none of them were found to have been owned by any government agency. We also observe that the family was represented by a competent advocate of the high court, who enjoys a reputation for professional independence. It is not plausible that he could have failed to file an appeal if he had found grounds to do so. The same applies to all the other cases mentioned in this propaganda" If KTN is found to have tinkered with our emotions - with an intention to control public psyche - they should be made to pay a very heavy price! I dont condone drug running along with the unholy influence its Barons seem to wield. That is however no licence for anybody to seek to fiddle around, clearly appealing to emotions as the KTN episode was calculated to. You are easy to pacify, I am not good to go with 39 witnesses and 20 police. The two highlighted statements are not in agreement and so it is ok to believe the makers are lying. If they are public then nothing prevents them from discussing all the details surrounding the matter. Unless, of course, they already know that maintaining a lie is too much a task, they would rather not let their tounges slip. However transparent a court may be if the investigation by the same police, no less, is shoddy, negligent, and geared to project a certain predetermined situation, there is nothing useful the court will find. That is what happened here.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/17/2008 Posts: 1,234
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YesuWangu wrote:B.Timer wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Whatever the truth in this series, I am disappointed that Moha & co did not tell us all sides of the story. For one how could they have missed the Police Inquest that investigated Chemorei's killing? They should down lay all "facts" then we are left to judge for ourselves. At least they should have gotten hold of the rulings in the inquest and told us about the inquest's conclusions.
Page 17 Sunday Nation 13th Nov 2011
"The program creates an impression that the death of late Erastus Chemorei was covered up and was never properly investigated. The truth is that this death was exhaustively investigated by police and later by the Principal Magistrate’s Court in Eldoret through a public inquest. During the public inquest, the family was represented by an advocate of the high court in Kenya. A total of 39 witnesses were grilled by the court and the family lawyer, among them about 20 police officers. Due to our sensitivity to traditions in respect of deceased people and consideration for the feelings of the family of the late, we are constrained from discussing a lot of details surrounding this matter.
However we wish to inform the public that public inquest proceedings are public documents and accessible to all. We also take this opportunity to invite any person wishing to examine the Police Case File in respect of this case to come and do so in order to decide for themselves on the veracity of evidence adduced and the rulings thereon. It is our opinion that the matter was professionally investigated and the court findings were judiciously reached. The firearms recovered were examined and found to have been used in other robbery incidents in Kitale area and none of them were found to have been owned by any government agency. We also observe that the family was represented by a competent advocate of the high court, who enjoys a reputation for professional independence. It is not plausible that he could have failed to file an appeal if he had found grounds to do so. The same applies to all the other cases mentioned in this propaganda" If KTN is found to have tinkered with our emotions - with an intention to control public psyche - they should be made to pay a very heavy price! I dont condone drug running along with the unholy influence its Barons seem to wield. That is however no licence for anybody to seek to fiddle around, clearly appealing to emotions as the KTN episode was calculated to. You are easy to pacify, I am not good to go with 39 witnesses and 20 police. The two highlighted statements are not in agreement and so it is ok to believe the makers are lying. If they are public then nothing prevents them from discussing all the details surrounding the matter. Unless, of course, they already know that maintaining a lie is too much a task, they would rather not let their tounges slip. However transparent a court may be if the investigation by the same police, no less, is shoddy, negligent, and geared to project a certain predetermined situation, there is nothing useful the court will find. That is what happened here. But the point remains that journalists have a responsibility to present to us all the "facts" they gather - this does not make those "facts" true. But at the very least we will have all the available information on the basis on which we can then make our own informed judgment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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The other thing that struck me in the statement is that Iteere was not the GSU deputy commandant then. Could it be that KTN gave us a true story but added some spice?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Mpenzi wrote: But the point remains that journalists have a responsibility to present to us all the "facts" they gather - this does not make those "facts" true. But at the very least we will have all the available information on the basis on which we can then make our own informed judgment.
That is the quandary. If their policing or security job is done for them (and e.g. all the facts are dug out for them as a result), they will say a parallel policing and security force has been established and fall on it like a ton of bricks. And this time they will have the backing of the constitution. This is the best option, not to give them any moral or legal high ground, IMHO. But any way they have presented their facts and the journalist has presented counter facts. Which ones seem believable to us?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/8/2011 Posts: 482 Location: Nairobi
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Me thinks the police statement did not answer questions raised by the KTN report? 1. If Chemorei was implicated in robberies in Kitale, how come he was still in the force and at such a senior position? 2. Why soo many police officers to arrest a single person in his house? 3. Why search Chemorei's house, without an extrernal witness. Could have planted the guns? 4. Why have officers from differenyt stations? 5. Why disown him and abandone family after killing him?
Too many questions without answers?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/13/2008 Posts: 558
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This "Story" has been forgotten now. The "Kenyan Way".
New topic of discussion is Demolitions. (Syokimau & Easleigh) Moha & Denis can start "investiagtions" on this one too.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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as usual! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/11/2008 Posts: 892
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To a layman, moha and osarigo's story was good. But it was just an emotional heap of rumours. As investigative journalists, they should have presented all the facts from both sides. That too many police were there, that the gsu guy should not have been in police force if a criminal, etc etc, while valid questions, they do not automatically translate to the chemorei's death and drug connections. Kenyans love sensational side of things bt if truth be told, the expose by ktn was just a gutter material. For in him (Jesus) we live and move and have our being-Acts 17:28
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/1/2010 Posts: 86 Location: Kenya
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I hear that these guys sort asylum in Norway... Anyone with proof?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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chalan wrote:I hear that these guys sort asylum in Norway... Anyone with proof? Heard a similar version. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/12/2009 Posts: 925
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chalan wrote:I hear that these guys sort asylum in Norway... Anyone with proof? .......of all the places? ....in Norway,usually, in the south, you'll have daylight from 5 in the morning to 11 in the evening during the summer. In the north you'll have daylight 24 hours a day!!! In the winter, you'll have something like 1 hour of daylight in the north and 5-6 hours of daylight in the south......nice conditions and recipe for committing suicide i think.
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