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cnn wrote:obiero wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Meanwhile, another trading day, another rout. The bears firmly on the driver's seat! I am already in the red on additional shares I bought this week because I knew announcement of results might push them up. I made sure I bought on Monday and some on Tuesday!! Then it was Rhumba time!!! My biggest problem is not even the price per say (I am long term) but how many more shares I would have bought had I bought today or probably next week. And it is maaany!!! The regret/opportunity costs/mistakes etc can make one overindulge especially seeing today is Furahiday. Honestly,this week has been like playing in the casino. You want to seat on your hands but the temptation to press sell/buy button overwhelms you! Exactly!!! I still need to buy more Equity and watching the market today tells me I should go in on Monday at 37 - 38. I might go in and we discover new lows. Or there is a turn around and I even don't get the chance to buy at those levels!!! You don't know what to expect. Same for BAT. It seems like it will get support at 430 but no one knows if that will hold!!! Consider staggering the buys over the 3 days ending Wednesday Today was my day one,whatever will be will be. The prices were quite enticing today! @cnn the trigger has been pulled too quickly, patience is a virtue.. but your boldness is commendable Out of KCB yesterday and today after getting in last Friday and Monday...16% gain after deducting transaction costs. These are the kind of stories i like hearing. When you make money, go for it. Sitting on your hands and the opportunity is taken up by someone else. A goal of 16% per quarter(quite achievable) through compounding will make you 81% pa My mantra has always been that the long term is indeed a summation of short terms. @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,455
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:obiero wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Meanwhile, another trading day, another rout. The bears firmly on the driver's seat! I am already in the red on additional shares I bought this week because I knew announcement of results might push them up. I made sure I bought on Monday and some on Tuesday!! Then it was Rhumba time!!! My biggest problem is not even the price per say (I am long term) but how many more shares I would have bought had I bought today or probably next week. And it is maaany!!! The regret/opportunity costs/mistakes etc can make one overindulge especially seeing today is Furahiday. Honestly,this week has been like playing in the casino. You want to seat on your hands but the temptation to press sell/buy button overwhelms you! Exactly!!! I still need to buy more Equity and watching the market today tells me I should go in on Monday at 37 - 38. I might go in and we discover new lows. Or there is a turn around and I even don't get the chance to buy at those levels!!! You don't know what to expect. Same for BAT. It seems like it will get support at 430 but no one knows if that will hold!!! Consider staggering the buys over the 3 days ending Wednesday Today was my day one,whatever will be will be. The prices were quite enticing today! @cnn the trigger has been pulled too quickly, patience is a virtue.. but your boldness is commendable Out of KCB yesterday and today after getting in last Friday and Monday...16% gain after deducting transaction costs. These are the kind of stories i like hearing. When you make money, go for it. Sitting on your hands and the opportunity is taken up by someone else. A goal of 16% per quarter(quite achievable) through compounding will make you 81% pa My mantra has always been that the long term is indeed a summation of short terms. Let us be separating reality from fantasy!! How do you keep compounding 11 - 16% till you get to 81% annually!! @SufficientlyP, I challenge you to start a thread today and post real time when you buy and sell and we see your net percentage gains after one year. Then you replicate in year two.1) You can give actual number of shares and actual prices. This is the best because you might buy and sell in batches at different prices and actual volumes would be more accurate. 2) You can decide to give only buying and selling price without volumes if you gave privacy and other concerns. 3) We can make it totally academic where you don't have to spend a single cent. We can "give" you an imaginary say 1,000,000/= and you "buy" and "sell" shares at prevailing prices + commission and we follow for a year we see how you fair. Over to you @SufficientlyPNever count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/1/2019 Posts: 89
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MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:obiero wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Meanwhile, another trading day, another rout. The bears firmly on the driver's seat! I am already in the red on additional shares I bought this week because I knew announcement of results might push them up. I made sure I bought on Monday and some on Tuesday!! Then it was Rhumba time!!! My biggest problem is not even the price per say (I am long term) but how many more shares I would have bought had I bought today or probably next week. And it is maaany!!! The regret/opportunity costs/mistakes etc can make one overindulge especially seeing today is Furahiday. Honestly,this week has been like playing in the casino. You want to seat on your hands but the temptation to press sell/buy button overwhelms you! Exactly!!! I still need to buy more Equity and watching the market today tells me I should go in on Monday at 37 - 38. I might go in and we discover new lows. Or there is a turn around and I even don't get the chance to buy at those levels!!! You don't know what to expect. Same for BAT. It seems like it will get support at 430 but no one knows if that will hold!!! Consider staggering the buys over the 3 days ending Wednesday Today was my day one,whatever will be will be. The prices were quite enticing today! @cnn the trigger has been pulled too quickly, patience is a virtue.. but your boldness is commendable Out of KCB yesterday and today after getting in last Friday and Monday...16% gain after deducting transaction costs. These are the kind of stories i like hearing. When you make money, go for it. Sitting on your hands and the opportunity is taken up by someone else. A goal of 16% per quarter(quite achievable) through compounding will make you 81% pa My mantra has always been that the long term is indeed a summation of short terms. Let us be separating reality from fantasy!! How do you keep compounding 11 - 16% till you get to 81% annually!! @SufficientlyP, I challenge you to start a thread today and post real time when you buy and sell and we see your net percentage gains after one year. Then you replicate in year two.1) You can give actual number of shares and actual prices. This is the best because you might buy and sell in batches at different prices and actual volumes would be more accurate. 2) You can decide to give only buying and selling price without volumes if you gave privacy and other concerns. 3) We can make it totally academic where you don't have to spend a single cent. We can "give" you an imaginary say 1,000,000/= and you "buy" and "sell" shares at prevailing prices + commission and we follow for a year we see how you fair. Over to you @SufficientlyP An easier way to track the trades would be to use NSE's fantasy/virtual trades. Easier to track to the last cent and uses real market data.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:obiero wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Meanwhile, another trading day, another rout. The bears firmly on the driver's seat! I am already in the red on additional shares I bought this week because I knew announcement of results might push them up. I made sure I bought on Monday and some on Tuesday!! Then it was Rhumba time!!! My biggest problem is not even the price per say (I am long term) but how many more shares I would have bought had I bought today or probably next week. And it is maaany!!! The regret/opportunity costs/mistakes etc can make one overindulge especially seeing today is Furahiday. Honestly,this week has been like playing in the casino. You want to seat on your hands but the temptation to press sell/buy button overwhelms you! Exactly!!! I still need to buy more Equity and watching the market today tells me I should go in on Monday at 37 - 38. I might go in and we discover new lows. Or there is a turn around and I even don't get the chance to buy at those levels!!! You don't know what to expect. Same for BAT. It seems like it will get support at 430 but no one knows if that will hold!!! Consider staggering the buys over the 3 days ending Wednesday Today was my day one,whatever will be will be. The prices were quite enticing today! @cnn the trigger has been pulled too quickly, patience is a virtue.. but your boldness is commendable Out of KCB yesterday and today after getting in last Friday and Monday...16% gain after deducting transaction costs. These are the kind of stories i like hearing. When you make money, go for it. Sitting on your hands and the opportunity is taken up by someone else. A goal of 16% per quarter(quite achievable) through compounding will make you 81% pa My mantra has always been that the long term is indeed a summation of short terms. Let us be separating reality from fantasy!! How do you keep compounding 11 - 16% till you get to 81% annually!! @SufficientlyP, I challenge you to start a thread today and post real time when you buy and sell and we see your net percentage gains after one year. Then you replicate in year two.1) You can give actual number of shares and actual prices. This is the best because you might buy and sell in batches at different prices and actual volumes would be more accurate. 2) You can decide to give only buying and selling price without volumes if you gave privacy and other concerns. 3) We can make it totally academic where you don't have to spend a single cent. We can "give" you an imaginary say 1,000,000/= and you "buy" and "sell" shares at prevailing prices + commission and we follow for a year we see how you fair. Over to you @SufficientlyP I take up the challenge my brother. Will soon be starting a thread on the same. The goal is to help each other make money while having fun. It's possible. Will begin in Q2. Stay tuned. @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,455
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:obiero wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:cnn wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Meanwhile, another trading day, another rout. The bears firmly on the driver's seat! I am already in the red on additional shares I bought this week because I knew announcement of results might push them up. I made sure I bought on Monday and some on Tuesday!! Then it was Rhumba time!!! My biggest problem is not even the price per say (I am long term) but how many more shares I would have bought had I bought today or probably next week. And it is maaany!!! The regret/opportunity costs/mistakes etc can make one overindulge especially seeing today is Furahiday. Honestly,this week has been like playing in the casino. You want to seat on your hands but the temptation to press sell/buy button overwhelms you! Exactly!!! I still need to buy more Equity and watching the market today tells me I should go in on Monday at 37 - 38. I might go in and we discover new lows. Or there is a turn around and I even don't get the chance to buy at those levels!!! You don't know what to expect. Same for BAT. It seems like it will get support at 430 but no one knows if that will hold!!! Consider staggering the buys over the 3 days ending Wednesday Today was my day one,whatever will be will be. The prices were quite enticing today! @cnn the trigger has been pulled too quickly, patience is a virtue.. but your boldness is commendable Out of KCB yesterday and today after getting in last Friday and Monday...16% gain after deducting transaction costs. These are the kind of stories i like hearing. When you make money, go for it. Sitting on your hands and the opportunity is taken up by someone else. A goal of 16% per quarter(quite achievable) through compounding will make you 81% pa My mantra has always been that the long term is indeed a summation of short terms. Let us be separating reality from fantasy!! How do you keep compounding 11 - 16% till you get to 81% annually!! @SufficientlyP, I challenge you to start a thread today and post real time when you buy and sell and we see your net percentage gains after one year. Then you replicate in year two.1) You can give actual number of shares and actual prices. This is the best because you might buy and sell in batches at different prices and actual volumes would be more accurate. 2) You can decide to give only buying and selling price without volumes if you gave privacy and other concerns. 3) We can make it totally academic where you don't have to spend a single cent. We can "give" you an imaginary say 1,000,000/= and you "buy" and "sell" shares at prevailing prices + commission and we follow for a year we see how you fair. Over to you @SufficientlyP I take up the challenge my brother. Will soon be starting a thread on the same. The goal is to help each other make money while having fun. It's possible. Will begin in Q2. Stay tuned. Hapo sawa bro. Will be tuned in. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,066
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Those of us who have been in the market long enough know that this is pure fantasy. The quickest way to burn your fingers in any stock exchange is to attempt to trade stocks as though they are potatoes in markiti.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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My 2 cents wrote:Those of us who have been in the market long enough know that this is pure fantasy. The quickest way to burn your fingers in any stock exchange is to attempt to trade stocks as though they are potatoes in markiti. Since you have been in the market, in your words, "long enough", allow us, 'monos', to burn our fingers. After all, it's our money. @MaichBlack is a seasoned Long term Investor, and is willing to give the short term investment idea a try if proven to him that it can work! That is the assignment he has given me! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,066
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:My 2 cents wrote:Those of us who have been in the market long enough know that this is pure fantasy. The quickest way to burn your fingers in any stock exchange is to attempt to trade stocks as though they are potatoes in markiti. Since you have been in the market, in your words, "long enough", allow us, 'monos', to burn our fingers. After all, it's our money. @MaichBlack is a seasoned Long term Investor, and is willing to give the short term investment idea a try if proven to him that it can work! That is the assignment he has given me! No one is stopping you losing your money. Go ahead. However bear in mind that you presented this as a strategy to be emulated by other members, some novice investors might follow you into this money losing pit. So be mindful that you will cause others to lose their own monies.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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My 2 cents wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:My 2 cents wrote:Those of us who have been in the market long enough know that this is pure fantasy. The quickest way to burn your fingers in any stock exchange is to attempt to trade stocks as though they are potatoes in markiti. Since you have been in the market, in your words, "long enough", allow us, 'monos', to burn our fingers. After all, it's our money. @MaichBlack is a seasoned Long term Investor, and is willing to give the short term investment idea a try if proven to him that it can work! That is the assignment he has given me! No one is stopping you losing your money. Go ahead. However bear in mind that you presented this as a strategy to be emulated by other members, some novice investors might follow you into this money losing pit. So be mindful that you will cause others to lose their own monies. Lanes please. @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,110 Location: Nairobi
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:I'd lump up BAT and Stanchart together. They are great dividend stocks with yields of above 10% and are great during these recession years as they can make up for any foregone capital gains with their decent dividend yields. Unfortunately, they are not the darling of the foreign investors, who tend to go for stocks that have interrupted sectors of an economy, the likes of Safaricom and Equity Bank - the blue eyed boys. Such stocks tend to be growth stocks but with a track record of paying dividends. And because these foreign investors tend to have deep pockets, the blue eyed stocks get bid and their prices soar, which also partly explains their low dividend yields. I have nothing but praise for BAT. I still say do not smoke but if you do, please choose BAT I started picking up BAT after the 1H 2022 results came out and the DPS has keep me going. DPS 57 Stanchart is another that I like and have some. DPS 22 I picked some ABSA but I place bids at the lower end of the scale and sometimes I get lucky. DPS 1.35 I am sticking with Dividend Payers with a minimum 10% DY or potentially 10%+ DYs in the near future. I like Equity Bank but it is not for me today. It could be a mistake but the DY is important to me at this time. If it pays 4/- and I see the price stagnate like it has for many, then I may buy in again. The 2024 Eurobond is coming due and if it gets paid then Equity will clawback a lot of the FV losses. I am staying away from Saf until there is more clarity on Ethiopia but if it pays a hefty Final Dividend then I may consider it. I am not a trader and do not have the smarts to buy and sell rapidly like some of you. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:I'd lump up BAT and Stanchart together. They are great dividend stocks with yields of above 10% and are great during these recession years as they can make up for any foregone capital gains with their decent dividend yields. Unfortunately, they are not the darling of the foreign investors, who tend to go for stocks that have interrupted sectors of an economy, the likes of Safaricom and Equity Bank - the blue eyed boys. Such stocks tend to be growth stocks but with a track record of paying dividends. And because these foreign investors tend to have deep pockets, the blue eyed stocks get bid and their prices soar, which also partly explains their low dividend yields. I have nothing but praise for BAT. I still say do not smoke but if you do, please choose BAT I started picking up BAT after the 1H 2022 results came out and the DPS has keep me going. DPS 57 Stanchart is another that I like and have some. DPS 22 I picked some ABSA but I place bids at the lower end of the scale and sometimes I get lucky. DPS 1.35 I am sticking with Dividend Payers with a minimum 10% DY or potentially 10%+ DYs in the near future. I like Equity Bank but it is not for me today. It could be a mistake but the DY is important to me at this time. If it pays 4/- and I see the price stagnate like it has for many, then I may buy in again. The 2024 Eurobond is coming due and if it gets paid then Equity will clawback a lot of the FV losses. I am staying away from Saf until there is more clarity on Ethiopia but if it pays a hefty Final Dividend then I may consider it. I am not a trader and do not have the smarts to buy and sell rapidly like some of you. Would you ever consider Coop with their improved div? In the past I have murmurs about their corporate governance and maybe ABSA in that respect is much better pick ?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:I'd lump up BAT and Stanchart together. They are great dividend stocks with yields of above 10% and are great during these recession years as they can make up for any foregone capital gains with their decent dividend yields. Unfortunately, they are not the darling of the foreign investors, who tend to go for stocks that have interrupted sectors of an economy, the likes of Safaricom and Equity Bank - the blue eyed boys. Such stocks tend to be growth stocks but with a track record of paying dividends. And because these foreign investors tend to have deep pockets, the blue eyed stocks get bid and their prices soar, which also partly explains their low dividend yields. I have nothing but praise for BAT. I still say do not smoke but if you do, please choose BAT I started picking up BAT after the 1H 2022 results came out and the DPS has keep me going. DPS 57 Stanchart is another that I like and have some. DPS 22 I picked some ABSA but I place bids at the lower end of the scale and sometimes I get lucky. DPS 1.35 I am sticking with Dividend Payers with a minimum 10% DY or potentially 10%+ DYs in the near future. I like Equity Bank but it is not for me today. It could be a mistake but the DY is important to me at this time. If it pays 4/- and I see the price stagnate like it has for many, then I may buy in again. The 2024 Eurobond is coming due and if it gets paid then Equity will clawback a lot of the FV losses. I am staying away from Saf until there is more clarity on Ethiopia but if it pays a hefty Final Dividend then I may consider it. I am not a trader and do not have the smarts to buy and sell rapidly like some of you. How much did Equity invest in the Euro bond?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,455
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MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Meanwhile, another trading day, another rout. The bears firmly on the driver's seat! I am already in the red on additional shares I bought this week because I knew announcement of results might push them up. I made sure I bought on Monday and some on Tuesday!! Then it was Rhumba time!!! My biggest problem is not even the price per say (I am long term) but how many more shares I would have bought had I bought today or probably next week. And it is maaany!!! The regret/opportunity costs/mistakes etc can make one overindulge especially seeing today is Furahiday. Honestly,this week has been like playing in the casino. You want to seat on your hands but the temptation to press sell/buy button overwhelms you! Exactly!!! I still need to buy more Equity and watching the market today tells me I should go in on Monday at 37 - 38. I might go in and we discover new lows. Or there is a turn around and I even don't get the chance to buy at those levels!!! You don't know what to expect. Same for BAT. It seems like it will get support at 430 but no one knows if that will hold!!! Consider staggering the buys over the 3 days ending Wednesday I am all bought out. Went all in for more. ABP of shares bought this week 38/=. Now we wait. I am long, long term investor. I love the EPS, expansion, management etc. of Equity!!! I am in it for the long haul. James Mwangi will sell out before me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I am one happy camper!!! It all went as I had expected! Dividend - 4/=!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,455
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Equity Bank Results...Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,455
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MaichBlack wrote:Ladiès and gentlemen relax!!! Equity Bank Results will come and they will be good. We might just get 4/= dividend.
Have some faith.
I put my money where my faith is by adding a huge number yesterday at an abp of 38/=.
Disclaimer: I know this os Kenya and anything is possible. KCB reminded us the other day. No one - including myself - saw the dividend slicing coming. I never saw anyone alluding to it. I am therefore psychologically prepared for any surprises as usual. I posted this last week. Post #2457. Pesa tunayo hatuna!!?? I am glad I went all out!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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MaichBlack wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Ladiès and gentlemen relax!!! Equity Bank Results will come and they will be good. We might just get 4/= dividend.
Have some faith.
I put my money where my faith is by adding a huge number yesterday at an abp of 38/=.
Disclaimer: I know this os Kenya and anything is possible. KCB reminded us the other day. No one - including myself - saw the dividend slicing coming. I never saw anyone alluding to it. I am therefore psychologically prepared for any surprises as usual. I posted this last week. Post #2457. Pesa tunayo hatuna!!?? I am glad I went all out!!! Great call @Maichblack Capital gains and dividend yields of more than 10% @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,110 Location: Nairobi
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The NSE is in a coma. If not for the good dividend payers, it would be even worse. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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VituVingiSana wrote:The NSE is in a coma.
If not for the good dividend payers, it would be even worse. With Zakayo still on the car rooftops talking to himself all day almost 2 years after election day, the NSE will stay stranded at 1,000-1,500 levels. ION, i see Henry Rotich has gotten a soft landing as the path back to CS Treasury gets created! We need a yote yawezekana moment akin to the 2002 one for any meaningful bull at the NSE. For now, it's kughula time @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/1/2014 Posts: 903 Location: sky
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the market is slowly rising, by the time many realizes we will be in the middle of mini bull, bamburi started from 21 to 40, coop bank from 11 to almost 13, today equity is at 41 from 37, those who have not strategized themselves will miss this year earning season mini bull There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2019 Posts: 119
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Has the casino(NSE) finally turned a corner?
Is it safe to conclude that maybe Zaks a.k.a. Kaunda- uwongo-man and Oxford Ndii (yes the Ndii who flaunts miwani ya kamba) have a formula for economy na sio guesswork pata potea ile ya @VVS na @Ericsson?
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