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guru267 wrote:@VVS one question for you.... Would you buy Kapchourua at 140??? Yes. If I had the cash. Land Value = 200. EPS will be over 40/-. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:guru267 wrote:@VVS one question for you.... Would you buy Kapchourua at 140??? Yes. If I had the cash. Land Value = 200. EPS will be over 40/-. has the land been revalued??? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:guru267 wrote:@VVS one question for you.... Would you buy Kapchourua at 140??? Yes. If I had the cash. Land Value = 200. EPS will be over 40/-. has the land been revalued??? Oops, I meant NAV. Pole sana! [I think the NAV would jump if they did a proper valuation based on current Tea prices as well as prices for land in Kenya. [BTW, this land is in Nandi so not as valuable as Kakuzi coz far, far away from major urban centers + the 'tribal' factor i.e. the possibility of destruction of the tea, buildings, assets for political factors] Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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VituVingiSana wrote:mkonomtupu wrote: Say what? The Agricultural Shares (Kakuzi, Williamson & Kapchorua - 3 I own) have all returned 100% since the above was posted...
The El-nino year has come to an end. The next one year is a la-nina year. Let's wait and see..the bubble with these stocks in the 1990's lasted 3 years. So I have 2 more years left? [I agree... I hope I have the guts or foresight to sell off by 2012] Tea Prices (& production) are rocking and rolling in 2010... I hope the Tea Party continues in 2011... I was in Thika juzi... Kakuzi is seating on some sweet land! They can build an entire self-contained estate/development to rival Buru Buru...[/quote] @VVS, Did you have the guts or foresight to sell off by 2012?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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mkonomtupu wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:mkonomtupu wrote: Say what? The Agricultural Shares (Kakuzi, Williamson & Kapchorua - 3 I own) have all returned 100% since the above was posted...
The El-nino year has come to an end. The next one year is a la-nina year. Let's wait and see..the bubble with these stocks in the 1990's lasted 3 years. So I have 2 more years left? [I agree... I hope I have the guts or foresight to sell off by 2012] Tea Prices (& production) are rocking and rolling in 2010... I hope the Tea Party continues in 2011... I was in Thika juzi... Kakuzi is seating on some sweet land! They can build an entire self-contained estate/development to rival Buru Buru... @VVS, Did you have the guts or foresight to sell off by 2012?[/quote] Of course not. I have a weakness for firms that have good management and trade at low P/B. That said, these were not bought with specific price objectives though I do look at their prices! Should I have sold? Yes. Did I sell? No. Heck, I bought more! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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KOLKATA: Prices of black tea are set to rise in the international markets this year as a continued dry spell in India and Kenya, two of the world's top tea exporters, is likely to shrink supply. Read more at: http://economictimes.ind...&utm_campaign=cppst And why are the prices falling? The $$ is strong something is a miss here "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:KOLKATA: Prices of black tea are set to rise in the international markets this year as a continued dry spell in India and Kenya, two of the world's top tea exporters, is likely to shrink supply. Read more at: http://economictimes.ind...&utm_campaign=cppst And why are the prices falling? The $$ is strong something is a miss here Prices are rising in KES as 1) the drought bites and reduces production 2) Surplus stocks get used up 3) KES depreciates vs USD http://www.businessdaily...1/-/suars4z/-/index.htmlGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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VituVingiSana wrote:[quote=murchr]KOLKATA: Prices of black tea are set to rise in the international markets this year as a continued dry spell in India and Kenya, two of the world's top tea exporters, is likely to shrink supply. Read more at: http://economictimes.ind...&utm_campaign=cppst And why are the prices falling? The $$ is strong something is a miss here Prices are rising in KES as 1) the drought bites and reduces production 2) Surplus stocks get used up 3) KES depreciates vs USD http://www.businessdaily.../-/suars4z/-/index.html[/quote] But this is not being felt on the exchange, all the tea counters are stagnant. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:[quote=murchr]KOLKATA: Prices of black tea are set to rise in the international markets this year as a continued dry spell in India and Kenya, two of the world's top tea exporters, is likely to shrink supply. Read more at: http://economictimes.ind...&utm_campaign=cppst And why are the prices falling? The $$ is strong something is a miss here Prices are rising in KES as 1) the drought bites and reduces production 2) Surplus stocks get used up 3) KES depreciates vs USD http://www.businessdaily.../-/suars4z/-/index.html[/quote] But this is not being felt on the exchange, all the tea counters are stagnant. Do not assume a firm's share price moves lock-step with sales/profits. BTW, the higher tea prices are offset by lower production due to the drought. It does not matter if tea prices are $10/kg if you have only 1,000 kgs to sell vs 1,000,000 kgs at $3/kg. The latter is much better for the firm/farm/factory. Agricultural stocks, I learnt many years ago, is about patience and quality management sprinkled with a lot of luck. That is why many agricultural firms' shares trade a discount to NAV. Unfortunately, it is this 'variable' performance that leads to farms being sub-divided for real estate. Sasini will go the 'real estate' way in a few years but I do not trust Merali to share the goodies. Kakuzi is more complicated. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:[quote=murchr]KOLKATA: Prices of black tea are set to rise in the international markets this year as a continued dry spell in India and Kenya, two of the world's top tea exporters, is likely to shrink supply. Read more at: http://economictimes.ind...&utm_campaign=cppst And why are the prices falling? The $$ is strong something is a miss here Prices are rising in KES as 1) the drought bites and reduces production 2) Surplus stocks get used up 3) KES depreciates vs USD http://www.businessdaily.../-/suars4z/-/index.html[/quote] But this is not being felt on the exchange, all the tea counters are stagnant. Do not assume a firm's share price moves lock-step with sales/profits. BTW, the higher tea prices are offset by lower production due to the drought. It does not matter if tea prices are $10/kg if you have only 1,000 kgs to sell vs 1,000,000 kgs at $3/kg. The latter is much better for the firm/farm/factory.
Agricultural stocks, I learnt many years ago, is about patience and quality management sprinkled with a lot of luck. That is why many agricultural firms' shares trade a discount to NAV. Unfortunately, it is this 'variable' performance that leads to farms being sub-divided for real estate. Sasini will go the 'real estate' way in a few years but I do not trust Merali to share the goodies. Kakuzi is more complicated. Had not looked at that angle. Another reason to keep off this space "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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@murchr - Here... http://www.businessdaily...0/-/10j0han/-/index.htmlGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Would not touch even with a 10M pole... "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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