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washiku
#111 Posted : Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:36:07 PM
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Joined: 5/9/2007
Posts: 13,095
Euge wrote:
washiku wrote:
So what is coming out is that if it hits Level 4 you are done? Like nothing really can change? You can never be healed completely?


Its the message that i get. Start parking and get ready to check out.


That gives credence to the below sermon I once listened to and really thought deeply about the whole topic of death.

http://nairobichapel.net/death-dying/
essyk
#112 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 12:06:47 AM
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Joined: 11/15/2011
Posts: 4,518
washiku wrote:
Euge wrote:
[quote=washiku]So what is coming out is that if it hits Level 4 you are done? Like nothing really can change? You can never be healed completely?


Its the message that i get. Start parking and get ready to check out.


That gives credence to the below sermon I once listened to and really thought deeply about the whole topic of death.

http://nairobichapel.net/death-dying/[/quote]
@

Would love to listen but sometimes you want to avoid what hurts you the most.
Maybe 10 yrs from now.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
Rongla
#113 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 12:30:48 AM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 101
Well Survival rates for Lung cancer is very low, even in developed countries.
I guess the problem lies with treatment Kenyans go for in India. Doctors in India continue treatment even when they know very well the patient wont recover.Which is a shame and a waste of resources.
I know in UK, Doctors tell patients how long they got to live. At this stage they actually shift from treatment to pain and end of life management. Just to make you comfortable
Wororo
#114 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 7:12:45 AM
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Joined: 1/30/2011
Posts: 207
Bigchick wrote:
My grandma was diagnosed with Cancer of the Oesophagus in early 2016.We were not told what stage or maybe I did not ask.We took her to Kijabe and they said at her age and location of the cancer Chemo and radio were out.They inserted a stent on the oesophagus and she continued with her life.Last month she developed eating problems where nothing could go down her tummy.We went back and a second stent was inserted as the cancer had overgrown the first stent.

Save for that she is ok. Eating well (liquid foods) and no pain at all.We thank God for that.

This has got me thinking, could there be another way of managing cancer without surgical intrusion,chemo or radio?It seems like once medication begins one goes downhill very fast.


@bigchick your grandma will leave for a longer time than a person undergoing chemo sessions...

From my observations, what I discovered is that chemo weakens one and don't forget cancer is ones body attacking itself.

So after chemotherapy sessions cancer becomes more aggressive, brutal and ruthless.

I believe even biopsy really makes the cancer to regroup and perhaps even relocate... Then attack with so much brutality until it kills itself thru the hosts death.
Wororo
#115 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 7:23:43 AM
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Dahatre wrote:
washiku wrote:
So what is coming out is that if it hits Level 4 you are done? Like nothing really can change? You can never be healed completely?


Pretty much if it is a tumor.
Here are the stages:

Stage 0=Abnormal cells are present but have not spread to nearby tissue. Also called carcinoma in situ, or CIS. CIS is not cancer, but it may become cancer.

Stages I-III=Cancer is present. The higher the number, the larger the cancer tumor and the more it has spread into nearby tissues.

Stage IV=The cancer has spread to distant parts of the body.

Source




True but some other forms simply have like two main stages.

Stage 1 & 4 - because the transition between stages 1 & 4 is quite drastic due to its original attack organ eg liver.

Liver cancer transition quite fast between the 4 stages since liver is a vital organ which receives lots of blood and the blood system is what cancer cells use to migrate/regroup.

Liver is like a hub in this case. Anytime a cancer cell can be transferred to a different part of the body and start at one new cancer colony!

Actually the cancer stages are defined by the size of the tumor and the potential of the cancer cells to be moved from an infected region of the body to unaffected region.

Quite scary I must say.
masukuma
#116 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 8:24:43 AM
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Location: Nairobi
come on guys... you need to take a stab at it... kama option iko... you must take a shot at it! whatever your motivation. hii ni maisha bwana!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Rahatupu
#117 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 9:54:44 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
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Location: matano manne
New pain: in 2013 I lost a childhood buddy to stomach cancer and even posted the same here. Last month I lost a nephew to breastfeeding cancer and the pain and sadness is immense. The boy was 23 and hap lived with the lump on his left breast for a long time until it became painful around Dec 2016. Late Feb is when diagnosis was started and by the time the results were out he didn't survive for a week. My take: diagnosis is key.
2012
#118 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 10:13:13 AM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
Rahatupu wrote:
New pain: in 2013 I lost a childhood buddy to stomach cancer and even posted the same here. Last month I lost a nephew to breastfeeding cancer and the pain and sadness is immense. The boy was 23 and hap lived with the lump on his left breast for a long time until it became painful around Dec 2016. Late Feb is when diagnosis was started and by the time the results were out he didn't survive for a week. My take: diagnosis is key.


There's breastfeeding cancer? Does it get passed on to the baby?

BBI will solve it
:)
tnai9
#119 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 10:47:47 AM
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Joined: 6/21/2010
Posts: 345
Location: easto
Cancer is a deadly disease and when your diagnosis is stage 4, there isn't much medically to be done and this cuts across all cancers because the cancer cells have spread to distant organs. Paliative care/end of life support is recommedned. But further, cancer in the vital organs is more deadly and as someone said, complications from chemo and reduced immunity(Chemo kills cancer cells and normal cells) is really a challenge. I lost a bro to cancer of the gall bladder early this year, he was diagnosed in stage 4 and passed on one month after diagnosis from an infection he picked after insertion of a stent in India. His liver and kidneys wouldn't withstand chemo and then experienced multiple organ failure(blood poisoning) coz the liver wasn't functioning. Oncologists in the country sometimes tell you the truth, like my bro they advised against the India trip, but family decided to try.
Critically early diagnosis is very important, but its not possible in most cancers because cancer can affect any organ of the body.
"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence." ― Charles Bukowski
Impunity
#120 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 10:48:19 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
Wororo wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
washiku wrote:
So what is coming out is that if it hits Level 4 you are done? Like nothing really can change? You can never be healed completely?


Pretty much if it is a tumor.
Here are the stages:

Stage 0=Abnormal cells are present but have not spread to nearby tissue. Also called carcinoma in situ, or CIS. CIS is not cancer, but it may become cancer.

Stages I-III=Cancer is present. The higher the number, the larger the cancer tumor and the more it has spread into nearby tissues.

Stage IV=The cancer has spread to distant parts of the body.

Source




True but some other forms simply have like two main stages.

Stage 1 & 4 - because the transition between stages 1 & 4 is quite drastic due to its original attack organ eg liver.

Liver cancer transition quite fast between the 4 stages since liver is a vital organ which receives lots of blood and the blood system is what cancer cells use to migrate/regroup.

Liver is like a hub in this case. Anytime a cancer cell can be transferred to a different part of the body and start at one new cancer colony!

Actually the cancer stages are defined by the size of the tumor and the potential of the cancer cells to be moved from an infected region of the body to unaffected region.

Quite scary I must say.


WHAT IS CANCER?

In layman''s language please.
Thanks
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