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Home owners stare at Sh16bn losses
a4architect.com
#111 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:24:49 PM
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@jus blazin..its not about personal gain. I have more than enough for myself. I would laso like to see a majority of nairobians as home owners. Its a pity that the people who need this help the most dont take the opportunity or see the logic. Unless you study usa and denmark land laws, its a futile attemp to convince you to see my view.
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obiero
#112 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:31:32 PM
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having lost about two million on a land deal gone sour in kitengela, my heart goes out to those affected.. its painful beyond words. successive governments have really let Kenyans down. just like the current south 'b' case, i used all legal channels and was issued with title by government..

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#113 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:39:16 PM
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@obiero..pole about your land deal. The lynch mob here @wazua have no idea about how much effort kenyans use to house themselves. I doubt if they own any property in kenya . If they did, their views would be different.
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a4architect.com
#114 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:46:34 PM
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@alma, not sure on what you mean. It looks like you will never ever understand my way of thinking. I give up arguing with you. What am advocating is similar land use as masachusetts. What u r advocating is kibera/mathare type land use and lynch mob psychology. Its like light and day. Some day maybe you will come to understand if you try and google on usa land use policy.
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vky
#115 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:07:04 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@alma, not sure on what you mean. It looks like you will never ever understand my way of thinking. I give up arguing with you. What am advocating is similar land use as masachusetts. What u r advocating is kibera/mathare type land use and lynch mob psychology. Its like light and day. Some day maybe you will come to understand if you try and google on usa land use policy.

a4 no need for using terms like 'lynch mob' or 'lynch mob mentality' while i empathise with the innocent parties caught up in this saga, labeling people who advocate for the rule of law as lynch mobs because they dont agree with you is unbecoming and a classic sign of the proverbial cornered mouse
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alma
#116 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:14:55 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@alma, not sure on what you mean. It looks like you will never ever understand my way of thinking. I give up arguing with you. What am advocating is similar land use as masachusetts. What u r advocating is kibera/mathare type land use and lynch mob psychology. Its like light and day. Some day maybe you will come to understand if you try and google on usa land use policy.


Your way of thinking is rather interesting to say the least.

You have no problem with corrupt practices in land transactions in Kenya simply because an architect can build a better house.

What I'm advising you is that this "similar land use" policy you are advocating for will get you 30ft under water with weights holding you down in some countries you love quoting.

In one thread you tell someone who has suffered the agony of being sold fake land pole, but still insist that there is no use for him to fight the crime. Accept and move on you say. After all, the land has better use with someone else.

What I'm trying to tell you is that land law has been corrupted by "professionals". The people suffering are the ones you claim you want to help get a house.

When Kenyans start doubting the Title Deed, no amount of beautiful buildings will make them buy.

I'm not a lynch mob. I think on my own terms.

If Obiero had an honest land valuer, an honest lawyer and an honest "professional" on his side, he would not have been given a fake title.

The problem in Kenya is not lack of land as you try to portray. The problem in Kenya is "professionals" who work, aid and abet corrupt individuals steal land.

I promise you a4 in those countries you have been quoting land law about, if they even got a whiff of your lack of respect for the law, you would never get a job. Not a one. I know. I've been there.

Land is not a joking matter. Lying, cheating and conning Kenyans and selling fake title deeds should be put in the economic terrorism class of laws. Not pussy footing around the issue.

So now 600 families will lose their hard earned income because some fellow in 1995 allocated themselves and their gachungwas some land. In other countries, things are done a little differently. Someone somewhere would pay.

I'm personally disgusted. But those families should not sleep tonight until someone is in court and paying for the sleepless nights they will have for the rest of their lives.

I hope I'm clear.

So stop supporting corruption in the guise of avoiding lynch mobs and saving Kenyans from poverty. Building houses that will probably have cracks in them coz even the contractor bent the law a little and the architect just forgot to do due diligence as he should for his client's sake.

You do know that there are some houses in the same area that were actually sold to some people after playing around with another gov't agency. Right now the mastermind of that one is a hero in his area. The buyers shall pay one day too.

And the band of corruption plays on.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
a4architect.com
#117 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:15:42 PM
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@vky, to me anyone advocating demolision of the kevevapi houses reminds me of a lynch mob as in lynch first then seek judicial review later. What other term do u sugest i use?
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a4architect.com
#118 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:19:56 PM
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@alma, i doubt you own any real estate in kenya. If you did, perhaps we can try to understand each other. I gave you homework to do. Study usa land use laws. I will only respond to you once you show me you have a clue on how usa land use laws work.
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alma
#119 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:29:18 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@alma, i doubt you own any real estate in kenya. If you did, perhaps we can try to understand each other. I gave you homework to do. Study usa land use laws. I will only respond to you once you show me you have a clue on how usa land use laws work.


Let me try to understand you Mr. Professional. You claim on this thread that you are not well versed in conveyancing law nor land law in Kenya. But somehow you are an expert in US land use law?

I don't want to burst your bubble but I do know both and I do have property in both.

But most important I do know the meaning of ethical behavior expected from professionals. I also know the laws of common decency. And know better than try to hide the fact that these people were conned. While you are busy trying to shield the conman by telling the victims that they have no recourse. After all their house is worth more than a cow.

So tell me this land law in the USA that allows a corrupt person get away with selling fake titles deeds to American citizens. I'll be waiting patiently.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
obiero
#120 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:34:04 PM
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my land was not developed so I cannot blame an architect. Bought through bank loan where lawyer was issued by the bank. I also cannot blame them coz i feel they did due diligence. The seller seems clean too.. The rot at kajiado lands office is what i squarely blame

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