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Just How Big the Universe is
tycho
#111 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 10:42:34 PM
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masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
tycho wrote:
The Universe could also be as big as an observer can determine with her mind.


We just have no capability. It's like asking safari ants somewhere on Mt. kenya, to figure out the entire country. Do you see how impossible that would be? Yet, in their world, they know they are the best in building their kingdom, protecting it etc etc.

We are probably that 'small' in perspective to bigger things(beings) out there.

I have always held that the silence we experience may mean 3 things
1) we are alone
2) the others are so ahead that they in the same way we have no interest and don't try to communicate with fish or plants have no interest in communicating with us
3) they may be so 'behind' that the best they can offer would be plant level intelligence.


The silence can also be accounted for by other reasons;
4. We haven't built the capacity to listen ... like it's taken us years to discover cosmic background radiation waves ....

5. Design. For example we could be modelled like a program with 'information hiding'...
tycho
#112 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 10:44:55 PM
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(redundant post)
masukuma
#113 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 9:55:40 AM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
tycho wrote:
The Universe could also be as big as an observer can determine with her mind.


We just have no capability. It's like asking safari ants somewhere on Mt. kenya, to figure out the entire country. Do you see how impossible that would be? Yet, in their world, they know they are the best in building their kingdom, protecting it etc etc.

We are probably that 'small' in perspective to bigger things(beings) out there.

I have always held that the silence we experience may mean 3 things
1) we are alone
2) the others are so ahead that they in the same way we have no interest and don't try to communicate with fish or plants have no interest in communicating with us
3) they may be so 'behind' that the best they can offer would be plant level intelligence.


The silence can also be accounted for by other reasons;
4. We haven't built the capacity to listen ... like it's taken us years to discover cosmic background radiation waves ....

5. Design. For example we could be modelled like a program with 'information hiding'...

we could have a list of 1000 things why we experience the silence and that would still be a list synonymous to a list drawn up by a group of philosophizing ants in Mt. Kenya forest explaining just how they are the (for lack of a better word) Sh*t! how they rule the world. That list would not be influenced by bodies of water as large as lakes or seas or the knowledge of mountains larger than their mounds. This is what is know as a worldview!
In very much the same way it's similar to our other worldviews for example

Those guys would have never seen Marsupials or red wood trees. Heck there is no domestic cat in the bible. Everyone who goes to that place and comes back looks at Milima ya mizautuni as a a small hill. Our worldview may change as soon as an explorer's boot hits our mound and everything we ever thought we knew evaporates as it struggles to explain this bipedal creature.
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Anti_Burglar
#114 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:17:30 AM
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masukuma wrote:


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Revelation was given in Patmos somewhere in Greece. When you get basic geography wrong like that, as if Greece is inside that circle, it gives me the impression you just copy paste things in the internet haphazardly to sound clever. Now how can I take what you say seriously, o Babylonian, when basic facts escape you?
harrydre
#115 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:44:36 AM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
masukuma wrote:


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Revelation was given in Patmos somewhere in Greece. When you get basic geography wrong like that, as if Greece is inside that circle, it gives me the impression you just copy paste things in the internet haphazardly to sound clever. Now how can I take what you say seriously, o Babylonian, when basic facts escape you?


There are many references to the roman empire in the bible too...
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harrydre
#116 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:46:10 AM
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tycho
#117 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 11:06:33 AM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
tycho wrote:
The Universe could also be as big as an observer can determine with her mind.


We just have no capability. It's like asking safari ants somewhere on Mt. kenya, to figure out the entire country. Do you see how impossible that would be? Yet, in their world, they know they are the best in building their kingdom, protecting it etc etc.

We are probably that 'small' in perspective to bigger things(beings) out there.

I have always held that the silence we experience may mean 3 things
1) we are alone
2) the others are so ahead that they in the same way we have no interest and don't try to communicate with fish or plants have no interest in communicating with us
3) they may be so 'behind' that the best they can offer would be plant level intelligence.


The silence can also be accounted for by other reasons;
4. We haven't built the capacity to listen ... like it's taken us years to discover cosmic background radiation waves ....

5. Design. For example we could be modelled like a program with 'information hiding'...

we could have a list of 1000 things why we experience the silence and that would still be a list synonymous to a list drawn up by a group of philosophizing ants in Mt. Kenya forest explaining just how they are the (for lack of a better word) Sh*t! how they rule the world. That list would not be influenced by bodies of water as large as lakes or seas or the knowledge of mountains larger than their mounds. This is what is know as a worldview!
In very much the same way it's similar to our other worldviews for example

Those guys would have never seen Marsupials or red wood trees. Heck there is no domestic cat in the bible. Everyone who goes to that place and comes back looks at Milima ya mizautuni as a a small hill. Our worldview may change as soon as an explorer's boot hits our mound and everything we ever thought we knew evaporates as it struggles to explain this bipedal creature.


World views do change, and it could be said that one of humanity's greatest strength is this ability to change world views.

Your ant metaphor, and relative size of Mt Zion however don't add much to discredit any world view. Any world view is valid if it helps optimize adaptation at any context. Man, will never have an ultimate and unchanging worldview that answers all his questions. In fact a lifetime is too brief for that.

What each of us is saying now is heavily influenced by our psychological programs; is there a way we can reveal these programs, and can we know how we have them? For example, in your post you assert 3 reasons for the silence 'we' hear. Then when other reasons appear, what do you do next? How does your worldview change?

If Man has power, then the crown is his ability to see his mind and change it at will.




masukuma
#118 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:38:04 PM
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harrydre wrote:
http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/map-empire.html

I invite you to read the image AGAIN!!!
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limanika
#119 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:40:54 PM
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@masukuma et al. The Bible is principally about relationship between God and man. Man is a creature, i don't think there's any obligation on the part of the creator to 'prove' or explain certain things like origin of universe. Moving on quickly forward, I hold the view that probably what we need is someone to prove that it is not possible to explain the origin of the universe in our current physical state. Just like yo can't divide 1/0..... And perharps for our own good. What we can try to do is seek to understand the behaviour of space / time/ matter but only within our near environment/ neighborhood, just like an ant in mt Kenya.
Anti_Burglar
#120 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 2:37:36 PM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
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masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/map-empire.html

I invite you to read the image AGAIN!!!



Maskums, I feel left out when you respond to others but not me. Is it because I call you 'Babylonian'? Moving on, reading the map again, I remember the God being given gifts by some wise men from the East. The east ended at the border of the circle?













Alphdoti, please stay away from this one, I do not feel like entertaining you for now.
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