@jammo: Are you saying that one can disregard the laws given to man by God?

And no more work from one's end,shedding of blood is enough?



Do you remember what Jesus told those who asked him how to achieve eternal life?

Jesus did not say 'wait for me to die'.

Rather he said 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind'. Matthew 22:36-40



If you checked my post properly,you'll notice that I was discussing the first requirement of a God fearing person.

'Thou shalt have no other gods before me.'


If you will,can we talk about this first,then talk about the role of Jesus in our life?



God clearly condemns polytheism in any shape or form,right?



@vituvingisana: I'm not a scholar,and won't be able to answer your question properly.

If i'm not wrong,there was no age limit for gotting married in the time of Abraham,Moses,Jesus,Mohammed,and even our forefathers.

In the times of Jesus,there is no forbidden age for girl to be married.

Jesus did not marry,that does not mean it is wrong to marry.



With the coming of civilization,we have defined an age limit to say 18.

Who says that is right? Did God say this? No.

According to God who creates,He has made a girl ready to reproduce by 13,even 9 year old can conceive!


AKS

There is no name given under Heaven and earth by which man shall be saved except the name of Jesus.None-and every knee shall bow,every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.As for me,i shall serve my Jesus,as he has redeemed me from the shame of sin.Our muslim brothers alwez evade querries,by being philosophical,and at times outright hostile.But have so many querries to ask,kindly answer them for me.Reiner,JESUS IS LORD,never be deceived.Pray b4 you cross.And have that guy u goin to see answer these querries:-

1. Muslims claim,that a proof the Koran was from God,is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However,all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources,1. A Greek doctor named Galen,who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. My question is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors,will you retract the argument on Embryology? If not,will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology,that was not already revealed or that was new?

2. Muslims claim,that a proof that the Koran was from God is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology,yet in 86:6-7 the Koran says,'man was created from ejected liquid- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs'. This echoes the scientific error of Hippocrates who believed semen originates,from the brain down the spinal chord,before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings,Penguin Classics,1983,p. 317) My question is: do you reject modern science and believe the Koran when it says sperm originates from the mid-gut section of a man's body.

3. Muslims quote an article written in 1957 by the Jehovah's Witnesses who stated there were 50,000 errors in the translation of the King James version. My question is: Even if this were true,(which of course it is not),how does this prove there is corruption in the original Greek MSS from which the King James version was translated?

4. Muslims claim,that the many different translations of the English Bible will render a single text with many different words and phrases. You said this was proof the Bible is corrupted and that the Koran reads exactly the same way everywhere in the world in Arabic. My question is: Since the many English translations of the Koran also render a single text with many different words,does that proof that the Koran is corrupted?

5. Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said 'Eli Eli lama sabachthani',but you say Jesus really cried out to Allah and said 'Allah,Allah lama sabachthani' My question is: Would you please explain why you would use this argument when you don't believe Jesus ever hung on the cross? And second,since Jesus was quoting Ps 22:1 on the cross,isn't rather unlikely that both the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament are wrong using Eli,a Hebrew word,rather than Allah,an arab word?

6. Muslims chide Christians because the earliest complete copies of the Bible were written 300 years after the originals of the first century. Yet Muslim scholars state the earliest copy of the Koran was written no earlier than 150 years after Muhammad died. My question is: in light of this fact,how could the Koran possibly be better than the Bible and would you please state the name and location and date of the earliest Koran you believe to be in existence?

7. Both the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent,and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul are written in the script style called 'Kufic'. And not the earlier style known as Ma'il or Mashq. This fact is the reason Muslim scholars date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died. My question is: leaving aside blind faith and wishful thinking,what evidence do you supply that these MSS were written any earlier?

8. The British Museum in London has an ancient copy of the Koran written in the Ma'il style of script,but practicing Muslim scholar Martin Lings,who is the former curator for the manuscripts of the British Museum,dates this manuscript at 790 AD. My question is: Apart from just making the claim,what evidence do you supply that this MSS were written any earlier?

9. The text of the Koran in 37:103 reads 'they had both submitted their wills (became Muslims)' while the Arabic text of the Tashkent MSS gives the exact opposite meaning,'they did not submitted their wills' (they did NOT become Muslims.) My question is: have you actually read the Tashkent MSS for yourself in this passage and how do you explain this textual variation given your comments on the miracle of the perfect Koran?

10. Qur’an 18:9,makes into real history,the second century myth of 7 Christian youths who were persecuted for their faith and went to sleep in a cave for 300 years and then woke up with no ill effects. In the original myth the hero is a Christian,but in the Koran the hero is a Muslim. My question is: in the absence of any copyright laws when the Koran was written,are you at least prepared to pay compensation to the living relatives of the author of this myth? If not,would you be in favor of going starting up a charity fund to compensate for damages of copyright infringement?


Whatever exists has already been named,and what man is has been known; no man can contend with one who is stronger than he.

@Alpha,

The God of Abraham cannot be be the same as allah............let's understand the origin of allah.At around the time mohammed was born,there were 365 idols worshipped in the courtyard of Kaaba.One of the deities was called allah and was god of the Quarish tribe,of which poor mohammed was a member.When the Quarish tribe took control of meccah by obliterating other tribes,all the idols except allah,were destroyed.mohammed became it's only messenger.To date,muslims worship while facing kaabah,where allah resides........and the pilgrimage as undertaken,is in the believe that the black stone takes away a man's sins..........seriously......how can a stone......any stone take away my sins...??


Guka wa bijuti...

@All

Let everybody believe what they think is right. Points have been rised and stressed. We Believe in ALLAH The Almighty,the ONLY One. We do not subscribe to other gods whatsoever. As for others believe in what you believe coz every man shall be by his owns on That great day of Gathering. Peace

Holy Quran Chapter 109-Verse 1-6



In the name of Allah,Most Gracious,Most Merciful.

[1] Say: O ye that reject Faith!


[2] I worship not that which ye worship,


[3] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.


[4] And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,


[5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.


[6] To you be your Way,and to me mine.

We can draw lessons from the past,but we cannot live in it.

@Alphdoti my good friend

You have been the most consistently level-headed Muslim contributor so far.

But I find your selective response to questions here a little suspicious...

Do not hide under the guise of being apolitical or non-scholarly when convenient. What does 'scholarly' in this context mean? Your response to other questions is seems scholarly' or politically relevant.

In the event that you perceive a question as political but relates to the role of Islam in Kenya,what is the difficulty with just responding with a simple Yes,No or I do not know?

I am sure there is nothing to hide.

I was hoping you would openly front the case for Kenyan Muslims.

My question yesterday is still unanswered...don't break my heart...again.

Time and chance happen to all.