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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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murchr wrote:nakujua wrote:kaka2za wrote:nakujua wrote:the disdain towards some kids is unwaranted, just coz a section of the population is not as moneyed as some does not mean they should not get chances.
we voted in a constitution that dictates national balance and when it hits home hatutaki.
Bursaries exists, well wishers exists - let the kids get a chance at bettering maisha Yao. Bursaries are funded by taxes and Public schools too. Therefore, when the son of a rich tax payer gets 415 marks he is entitled for a place in the National school. Equity is not about denying others opportunities. In ensuring a balanced society, and ensuring the country in general shares out it resources in an equitable manner, some will have to miss out on opportunities. It's there in your constitution as pertaining national resources. There's nothing like a balanced society, poverty to a large extend is a state of mind that even education cannot change. Purnishing a tax payer because he was able to squeeze that extra coin is an injustice. it's in the constitution, whose spirit is to try and ensure balance when it comes to national resources. poverty has an environment aspect to it, it matters a lot where you are born and education does play a major role to alleviating the same.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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nakujua wrote:murchr wrote:nakujua wrote:kaka2za wrote:nakujua wrote:the disdain towards some kids is unwaranted, just coz a section of the population is not as moneyed as some does not mean they should not get chances.
we voted in a constitution that dictates national balance and when it hits home hatutaki.
Bursaries exists, well wishers exists - let the kids get a chance at bettering maisha Yao. Bursaries are funded by taxes and Public schools too. Therefore, when the son of a rich tax payer gets 415 marks he is entitled for a place in the National school. Equity is not about denying others opportunities. In ensuring a balanced society, and ensuring the country in general shares out it resources in an equitable manner, some will have to miss out on opportunities. It's there in your constitution as pertaining national resources. There's nothing like a balanced society, poverty to a large extend is a state of mind that even education cannot change. Purnishing a tax payer because he was able to squeeze that extra coin is an injustice. it's in the constitution, whose spirit is to try and ensure balance when it comes to national resources. poverty has an environment aspect to it, it matters a lot where you are born and education does play a major role to alleviating the same. The same constitution advocates for equal opportunities for all. The ministry would fail terribly if the constitution would be their line of argument "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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It is a fact that some of the public primary schools are more expensive than private academies e.g Westlands,Utafiti and FairLawns. The rich will take more of the public schools and make them exclusive. All the good teachers are in public schools and private encounter high staff turnover yet they still perform better. Taking a child with 283 marks to Mang'u will not necessarily be of benefit. It might actually disorient him. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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Hope no kids of Wazuans have directly been discriminated against by this year's selections. Otherwise reading through some posts on this thread can make one contemplate committing suicide. This is one thread where only those with school-going children should be allowed to post. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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murchr wrote:nakujua wrote:murchr wrote:nakujua wrote:kaka2za wrote:nakujua wrote:the disdain towards some kids is unwaranted, just coz a section of the population is not as moneyed as some does not mean they should not get chances.
we voted in a constitution that dictates national balance and when it hits home hatutaki.
Bursaries exists, well wishers exists - let the kids get a chance at bettering maisha Yao. Bursaries are funded by taxes and Public schools too. Therefore, when the son of a rich tax payer gets 415 marks he is entitled for a place in the National school. Equity is not about denying others opportunities. In ensuring a balanced society, and ensuring the country in general shares out it resources in an equitable manner, some will have to miss out on opportunities. It's there in your constitution as pertaining national resources. There's nothing like a balanced society, poverty to a large extend is a state of mind that even education cannot change. Purnishing a tax payer because he was able to squeeze that extra coin is an injustice. it's in the constitution, whose spirit is to try and ensure balance when it comes to national resources. poverty has an environment aspect to it, it matters a lot where you are born and education does play a major role to alleviating the same. The same constitution advocates for equal opportunities for all. The ministry would fail terribly if the constitution would be their line of argument I wish someone could take it to the courts, would love to hear the arguments and the outcome. but if you deem all kids equal and only use their kcpe performance for placement then hapo sawa that's your take on it, Mimi I think equality in this particular case involves considering the conditions surrounding a kid, and opportunities apportioned in such a way that kids from all over the country get to benefit from what the national Schools have to offer.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,838
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nakujua wrote:MaichBlack wrote:And one more thing oh ye ignorant Kenyans, people don't take kids to private schools because they are rich. Some actually struggle and sacrifice to pay the fees. Why not simply take their kids to public schools? For one, where are the schools - in Nairobi for example? How many schools has the City Council and now City county built since the 90s??? Of the old ones, how many new classes has the council/county built. In new estates, how many public schools have been built. Some Nairobi estates have between zero and one public school. How do you squeeze in all the kids there? What if there is no public school? You take them to the neighbouring estate??
Reasonable affirmative action is okay. Kids in marginalized areas need a helping hand. But what is happening currently is too much. If you are my neighbour, you still expect your kid to join a National school with 345 while mine can't join the same school with 420 marks just because you took your kid to a public school? And yet you claim there are inadequate public schools and then your neighbor takes their kid to a public school. that aside, it's not as if private school kids do not get access to the national school - the selection results have been posted and the private school have been given their share. Hey, don't argue for the sake of arguing. Those were two different scenarios. Someone living in Roysambu or Kasarani (or even Karen) may not have a public School nearby any has no option but to take their kid to a private school. People living in Kayole, Umoja or even Runda Mumwe might have at least one public school nearby. One neighbour might take his kid to the public school and the other one takes theirs to a private school. Get it now??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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nakujua wrote:murchr wrote:nakujua wrote:murchr wrote:nakujua wrote:kaka2za wrote:nakujua wrote:the disdain towards some kids is unwaranted, just coz a section of the population is not as moneyed as some does not mean they should not get chances.
we voted in a constitution that dictates national balance and when it hits home hatutaki.
Bursaries exists, well wishers exists - let the kids get a chance at bettering maisha Yao. Bursaries are funded by taxes and Public schools too. Therefore, when the son of a rich tax payer gets 415 marks he is entitled for a place in the National school. Equity is not about denying others opportunities. In ensuring a balanced society, and ensuring the country in general shares out it resources in an equitable manner, some will have to miss out on opportunities. It's there in your constitution as pertaining national resources. There's nothing like a balanced society, poverty to a large extend is a state of mind that even education cannot change. Purnishing a tax payer because he was able to squeeze that extra coin is an injustice. it's in the constitution, whose spirit is to try and ensure balance when it comes to national resources. poverty has an environment aspect to it, it matters a lot where you are born and education does play a major role to alleviating the same. The same constitution advocates for equal opportunities for all. The ministry would fail terribly if the constitution would be their line of argument I wish someone could take it to the courts, would love to hear the arguments and the outcome. but if you deem all kids equal and only use their kcpe performance for placement then hapo sawa that's your take on it, Mimi I think equality in this particular case involves considering the conditions surrounding a kid, and opportunities apportioned in such a way that kids from all over the country get to benefit from what the national Schools have to offer. I hope someone is doing it. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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kaka2za wrote:It is a fact that some of the public primary schools are more expensive than private academies e.g Westlands,Utafiti and FairLawns. The rich will take more of the public schools and make them exclusive.
All the good teachers are in public schools and private encounter high staff turnover yet they still perform better.
Taking a child with 283 marks to Mang'u will not necessarily be of benefit. It might actually disorient him. If the kid is from a marginalized area, I think it's good to give them a chance whether they make it or not, at least a chance, otherwise we end up with a society that is skewed, not that it's not. But at least give chances to others kids who just happened to be born in certain conditions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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National schools had 20,000 places yet only around 5,000 pupils had over 400 marks. Why not take all the 5,000 and apply affirmative action on the remaining 15,000 places? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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nakujua wrote:kaka2za wrote:It is a fact that some of the public primary schools are more expensive than private academies e.g Westlands,Utafiti and FairLawns. The rich will take more of the public schools and make them exclusive.
All the good teachers are in public schools and private encounter high staff turnover yet they still perform better.
Taking a child with 283 marks to Mang'u will not necessarily be of benefit. It might actually disorient him. If the kid is from a marginalized area, I think it's good to give them a chance whether they make it or not, at least a chance, otherwise we end up with a society that is skewed, not that it's not. But at least give chances to others kids who just happened to be born in certain conditions. Is a student from a private school in Bungoma East marginalised? Just check for Muranga high and see if it makes sense! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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