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a4architect.com wrote:jaggernaut wrote:@A4arc, do you also want to recommend that we should also invade land belonging to muthaiga, karen, runda etc residents because their houses are only utilizing 20% of their 1/2 acre plots, and we can use the remaining 80% more efficiently by developing it...and utilizing the infrastructure. @jagernaut, dont make me laugh...These bylaws in Karen have been done after very well thought out planning by professionals whom i respect. I see the logic in having karen, muthaiga etc to have low ground coverage %. This enables the plots to conserve trees.forests which act as carbon sinks. This is the same reason i suggested that if nairobi national park can be converted to residential, the residential should be even lower ground coverage to enable more trees/forest cover hence act as a better carbon sink than the grassland. These low densities in karen enable you and me to get fresh oxygen as we type away behind our computers. It looks like for one to see my logic, it might take years. The best way to see and understand my logic, is to study the land planning laws as they are in USA, Denmark, Japan and China. Its not by coincidence that these countries are so productive, its a matter of proper land use planning. Those planning laws dont advocate for stealing of others lands or impunity what you really advocate for here as logic
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@alma, kevevapi can go to other lands to produce their agricultural products and still maintain the same productivity level.Their productivity is not tied to the said land. On the other hand, the house owner's productivity is tied to the same land and have no option to relocate and still achieve same productivity. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@jamani, lets have a mature sensible debate. stick to facts then i can respond to you. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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a4 is on about the grand scheme the bigger picture, a4 agriculture sustains the national budget and the economy substantially and i would imagine that an unhealthy livestock population would harm our economy a great deal, dairies in kenya depend on healthy cows for good milk yields, meat producers depend on healthy livestock, same goes for everything that we consume coming out of livestock. If we were to have an unhealthy livestock population due to lack of vaccines as a result of lack of capacity by the concerned authority to develop such vaccines to keep livestock healthy,the spiral effect if such a situation issued on our rock would be catastrophic, government revenue plummet, much of the population would suffer diet deficiencies resulting in an emaciated work force that cant perform well resulting in a strangled economy. My take above is a highly plausible hypothesis, all because of corrupt government officials who stole land set aside for vaccine development and built illegal structures on of which some are supporting in the name of better land use in utter disregard of the law and ethics. Kenya's all round growth will always be handicapped by such mentality. kama kiliibwo kirudishwo 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Seems other countries they take land grabbing very seriously. C&PEX-MAYOR and town councillor of Zurgena, Candido Trabalon, Spain, faces a prison sentence of 180 years for his role in a corruption case. He is accused, along with 23 other people including estate agents, promoters and architects, of 120 offences, including falsifying documentation, bribery, and corruption. On at least two occasions, it is alledged he granted licences for the construction of One Family housing units in areas not designated for construction. https://www.euroweeklynews.com/news/costa-de-almeria/item/112813-ex-zurgena-mayor-faces-180-years-jail
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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I think we have alot of land to the south and SE of nairobi ie mombasa rd, athi river, kitengela, lukenya that developers can utilize. Everyone doesn't have to live within 5km radius from CBD.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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vky wrote:a4 is on about the grand scheme the bigger picture, a4 agriculture sustains the national budget and the economy substantially and i would imagine that an unhealthy livestock population would harm our economy a great deal, dairies in kenya depend on healthy cows for good milk yields, meat producers depend on healthy livestock, same goes for everything that we consume coming out of livestock. If we were to have an unhealthy livestock population due to lack of vaccines as a result of lack of capacity by the concerned authority to develop such vaccines to keep livestock healthy,the spiral effect if such a situation issued on our rock would be catastrophic, government revenue plummet, much of the population would suffer diet deficiencies resulting in an emaciated work force that cant perform well resulting in a strangled economy. My take above is a highly plausible hypothesis, all because of corrupt government officials who stole land set aside for vaccine development and built illegal structures on of which some are supporting in the name of better land use in utter disregard of the law and ethics. Kenya's all round growth will always be handicapped by such mentality. kama kiliibwo kirudishwo @vky..ministry of agric has thousands of acres around nairobi for their land use. Bottomline is the economy. If the law was broken to ensure @vckys life is better eg more employment, more money for health,educ after saving on infrastructure, more tax revenue, then more of this law should be broken. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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a4architect.com wrote:@jamani, lets have a mature sensible debate. stick to facts then i can respond to you. Facts are govt is complaining someone has taken its land, facts are some "professionals"are supporting the land grabbers by being economical with the truth and pointing people to cost of construction and stories of national economy. Facts are the rule of law, morals of right and wrong are being swept under the carpet as we are told of nice buildings costing xx amount of money. Facts are when one mentions morals, rule of law, right or wrong he becomes unsensible and inmature in a debate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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a4architect.com wrote:vky wrote:a4 is on about the grand scheme the bigger picture, a4 agriculture sustains the national budget and the economy substantially and i would imagine that an unhealthy livestock population would harm our economy a great deal, dairies in kenya depend on healthy cows for good milk yields, meat producers depend on healthy livestock, same goes for everything that we consume coming out of livestock. If we were to have an unhealthy livestock population due to lack of vaccines as a result of lack of capacity by the concerned authority to develop such vaccines to keep livestock healthy,the spiral effect if such a situation issued on our rock would be catastrophic, government revenue plummet, much of the population would suffer diet deficiencies resulting in an emaciated work force that cant perform well resulting in a strangled economy. My take above is a highly plausible hypothesis, all because of corrupt government officials who stole land set aside for vaccine development and built illegal structures on of which some are supporting in the name of better land use in utter disregard of the law and ethics. Kenya's all round growth will always be handicapped by such mentality. kama kiliibwo kirudishwo @vky..ministry of agric has thousands of acres around nairobi for their land use. Bottomline is the economy. If the law was broken to ensure @vckys life is better eg more employment, more money for health,educ after saving on infrastructure, more tax revenue, then more of this law should be broken. Now I know you've lost it. Break more laws and have a4architect's pockets bulging. Tunnel vision. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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If what we have are professionals who think that breaking the law is good for the economy why then wonder when houses fall on people? If you can break such a basic law as not selling fake title deeds what can stop the same fellow from being economical with the quality of cement he's using in your house. Professionals failed Kenyans a long time ago. That is why they like saying gov't this gov't that. I can vouch and promise that for every land law broken in Kenya, the following "professionals" are involved an architect, a land developer, a valuer, a banker, a lawyer, a quantity surveyor, an engineer. These are the corrupt Kenyans. Saw if you hear that your kaplot somewhere is gone, go to these guys. Don't listen to this nonsense that a4 is spewing here. Someone stole land. Some "professionals" aided and abetted the crime. The silly investor must suffer. The rest of us must listen and learn and not make the same mistakes. I promise you a4, try that kind of stuff in massachussets and we shall find you under the sea tied with cement. People in the world don't joke with land the way Kenyans do. Return the stolen land first then we can have arguments about land use. A debate which I can assure you an architect cannot win against a land economist. For now I'm utterly disgusted by the blatant disregard for basic laws of nature, man and the country by a "professional". Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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