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The likes of MKU,KeMU admits D students!!!!
masukuma
#101 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:38:55 PM
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we need to think of the education system as a factory! processing people, adding value!
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jaggernaut
#102 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:39:27 PM
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masukuma wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
masukuma wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Tebes wrote:
We have Senior Lecturers with Phd lecturing in Public Universities , teaching students who scored straight As. Them they scored D in KCSE, went abroad for Undergraduate, Masters and Phds came back to teach in Universities which could not admit them. That is Kenya for you.

You should not make such blanket statements. Give examples. What i know is that many institutions are very thorough while recruiting and can even disregard you if you did one of those one year "masters by course work" degrees. The argument being that one cannot supervise 2yr masters by research/thesis students if they never went through one.


many institutions ??? No, just a selected few. A pal is teaching a 3rd year course yet he is masters student.

and the problem is??? it will only be a problem is a master's student was teaching a master's course that he has not done and passed! teaching is issuing instructions! in order to properly instruct a 3rd year course one needs to have done it and possibly a unit that it its a prerequisite to everything else is a needless requirement we have placed on ourselves.

Do you really know what you are talking about? You can ONLY instruct a std 8 class if you have done class 8 PLUS form 4. You can also only instruct a masters class only if you have done a masters degree and a level above it i.e. PhD. That is how education works. Kwani am the only learned person around here?

I went through the same systems you are talking about. but it still does not make sense! just because they have been doing it - it does not mean that its the only way it can or should be done! its part of the entitlement disease that hounds the academic circles.

It's the narrow academic path, and everyone should stick to it. There are no short cuts.
Mukiri
#103 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:10:55 AM
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Our education system is flawed and seriously needs an overhaul. I fail to see how the worth of a student's 8 years effort can be pegged on a single week of exams, a 4 year effort on a month etc

Everyone has talents, strengths, interests etc and it is these that an education system should nature.

That said, D students are also people, who have a right to a higher education, if they should so wish.

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#104 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:13:47 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
The likes of MKU....admits D students.

Not talking Not talking



The likes of MKU....admit D students.

d'oh! d'oh!
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#105 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:33:43 AM
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It's true, with only 100k, you can bribe the academic registrar of this institutions to admit your son who got an E or a D in KCSE.

To make sure he graduates, regardless of whether he passed his exams/project all you need is Ksh 100k as well.

Fortunately, life has a way of dealing with such ills in the society.

Moreover,we have good institutions in Kenya like strathmore where if you take your son/daughter chances of him/her turning out good are superb.

However,you need to save save and have enough money to pay the high college fees.

Like approximately 2.5m from 1st year - 4th year.

So if lets say you have 3 kids.. put aside 7.5 million for their college education.

Swenani
#106 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:42:01 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Tebes wrote:
We have Senior Lecturers with Phd lecturing in Public Universities , teaching students who scored straight As. Them they scored D in KCSE, went abroad for Undergraduate, Masters and Phds came back to teach in Universities which could not admit them. That is Kenya for you.

what is wrong with 'kenya'? we have some expectations that Lecturers must have been the best in their class - that is what is wrong with kenya. Students having straight 'A's will be taught by whoever can issue instructions. Who said that the brightest people are the best instructors? they are not! so can we stop feeling entitled to things based on our educational performances!! we need all hands on deck!


Look at primary teachers most of them scored c- and below yet they teach pupils who get A's
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tnai9
#107 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:24:50 PM
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Swenani wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Tebes wrote:
We have Senior Lecturers with Phd lecturing in Public Universities , teaching students who scored straight As. Them they scored D in KCSE, went abroad for Undergraduate, Masters and Phds came back to teach in Universities which could not admit them. That is Kenya for you.

what is wrong with 'kenya'? we have some expectations that Lecturers must have been the best in their class - that is what is wrong with kenya. Students having straight 'A's will be taught by whoever can issue instructions. Who said that the brightest people are the best instructors? they are not! so can we stop feeling entitled to things based on our educational performances!! we need all hands on deck!


Look at primary teachers most of them scored c- and below yet they teach pupils who get A's


Interesting topic and diverse views! The issue here is admitting weak students to the universities via shortcuts and that is wrong as per our 'wrong' system. Other factors constant, the instructor should be more knowledgeable than the student and that is a fact. That is why some lecturers, high school teachers will have issues with very brilliant students who challenge them. When issuing instructions, you must have a 'broader view' of the instruction. In my MCSE class, an instructor who was a non-IT graduate pissed me off on day 1 when he said once you partition a hard disk to drives of specific sizes, you cannot change them until your reformat the Hard disk. But this was wrong, and several other students knew it was a lie. This is a case of an uninformed teacher misleading students, who if they don't research on their own, will go to the field with wrong info.
On the issue of As and Ds, there is a difference. And that is why specific courses ask for strong grades in specific subjects. A guy who got a D in Maths/Physics has nil to do in a computational complexity/architecture class. He may have his strong areas and that is why he should go there.
Even in High schools where exams are said to be 'taught', you have to be bright, to be able to replicate the leakage you have been in the exam. People who get Ds should go to their strong areas and academics is not one of them.
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nakujua
#108 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:36:48 PM
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tnai9 wrote:
Swenani wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Tebes wrote:
We have Senior Lecturers with Phd lecturing in Public Universities , teaching students who scored straight As. Them they scored D in KCSE, went abroad for Undergraduate, Masters and Phds came back to teach in Universities which could not admit them. That is Kenya for you.

what is wrong with 'kenya'? we have some expectations that Lecturers must have been the best in their class - that is what is wrong with kenya. Students having straight 'A's will be taught by whoever can issue instructions. Who said that the brightest people are the best instructors? they are not! so can we stop feeling entitled to things based on our educational performances!! we need all hands on deck!


Look at primary teachers most of them scored c- and below yet they teach pupils who get A's


Interesting topic and diverse views! The issue here is admitting weak students to the universities via shortcuts and that is wrong as per our 'wrong' system. Other factors constant, the instructor should be more knowledgeable than the student and that is a fact. That is why some lecturers, high school teachers will have issues with very brilliant students who challenge them. When issuing instructions, you must have the 'broader view' of the instruction. In my MCSE class, an instructor who was a non-It graduate pissed me off on day 1 when he said once you partition a hard disk to drives of specific sizes, you cannot change them. But i knew that was wrong, and several other students knew it was a lie. This is a case of an uninformed teacher misleading students, who if they don't research on their own, will go to the field with wrong info.
On the issue of As and Ds, there is a difference. And that is why specific courses look ask for strong grades in specific subjects. A guy who got a D in Maths has nil to do in a computational complexity/architecture class and that is a fact. He may have his strong areas and that is why he should go there.
Even in High schools where exams are said to be 'taught', you have to be bright, to be able to replicate the leakage you have been in the exam. People who get Ds should go to their strong areas and academics is not one of them.

Very brilliant kids belong to specialized schools and
your instructor might have been right if the reference was towards a specific set of operating systems. smile
jguru
#109 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:03:49 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
That is the real truth. these are real D's being sanctified.
Money and Mwakenya's are sinking the country.

Kitambo, if you got a clean D and went and tried out Medics at UoN, the system would flush out the genuine D's. so goes for the other competitive courses.

but nowdays somebody gets a D. cleanses it with a bridging course from a constituent college. then enrolls to one of the universities after money.
passes by Mwakenya and general university laxity and voila! in the Job Market.

Incase a C+ is demanded, River Road offers redemption.


I am unhappy with cheating in universities. It is sad to see students carrying Mwakenyas to exam halls, discussing answers, swapping answer sheets and using mobile phones to Google for answers to questions on material already taught during coursework.

I heard of a case where a student had written 2 answer sheets; one for himself in blue ink; and another for his girlfriend in black ink. Had even signed on the exam list for both of them. Apparently the girlfriend was away from town. And these were Masters students.

Another where a very Senior High School principal had paid a university student to be attending classes and sitting his exams.

More than 50% of theses written by Masters students are written for them by Writing Agencies and by other students. 75% of research 'collected' is cooked. Most masters and PhD students cannot adequately defend a thesis topic in-front of a group of supervisors and their peers.

I am also unhappy about lecturers sleeping with students for grades. Average beautiful 'D grade' girls getting As in bed. And the not so beautiful Bs.
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tnai9
#110 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:16:04 PM
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nakujua wrote:

Very brilliant kids belong to specialized schools and your instructor might have been right if the reference was towards a specific set of operating systems. smile


Which specific set and what do you mean by set? Have major experience with major OSes(server/client).

That aside, specialized schools=???
A loose analogy to further explain my point is, you can't have an ICDL Ms Word 'graduate' teaching a Comp sci/IT graduate about computers, or a CPA K student who did a law unit as part of the course requirements teaching lawyers law. That is just to drive the point home.

Further, some students get As in High School, when 60% of the time, they are away because of lack of fees. Loosely translated, these students would get Bs without a teacher. And some get Ds when they have been in school all through. This is not to say people with Ds are failures, no. There are guys who were behind there in my HS, but I cant tell them anything now(financially)

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