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Rank: Member Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 830
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Good company, but too much government control. The government will never let go of this company due to its monopoly status and the fact that it is a utility company. There is always a flip side of being a long term business partner with the government. It does not really care about profits and operates at the expense of minority shareholders. Good valuation, bad long term business partner...so a bad counter in my humble opinion. A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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S.Mutaga III wrote:Good company, but too much government control. The government will never let go of this company due to its monopoly status and the fact that it is a utility company. There is always a flip side of being a long term business partner with the government. It does not really care about profits and operates at the expense of minority shareholders. Good valuation, bad long term business partner...so a bad counter in my humble opinion. Chairman Marende should make a difference in the way KP is ran. The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/16/2014 Posts: 114
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https://mobile.twitter.c.../552132576551661569?p=v Will this make a difference? fear makes people live a miserable life.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 254
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 402 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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mthaka wrote:http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Banks-lose-out-as-Kenya-Power-gets-Sh45bn-to-pay-loans/-/539550/2580702/-/item/1/-/v2ourd/-/index.html
this is great news and bad news for the banks!! Two pieces of information this week that shows that Kenya Power is on the right track: 1. The borrowing of Ksh 45B from World Bank at 2% p.a in order to repay bank loans that were taken at commercial rates hence saving Ksh 1.5B p.a. 2. The reduction of electricity system losses by 2.5%; each 1% reduction in system losses saves Ksh 1B hence the 2.5% reduction is equivalent to Ksh 2.5B. Those two moves alone will save the company Ksh 4B which will reflect on the profits. The M.D has already projected pre-tax profits for 2015 to hit Ksh 15B (from last years Ksh 10B)hence a 50% rise in pretax profits......its easy to see that the two moves above alone are able to generate that increase. Happy Hunting.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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I congratulate the energy minister..he seem to understand what hails the energy sector. My wish is others could make such bold moves.
Please dont read politics here, my opinion only
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money. Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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MaichBlack wrote:As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money.
Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit. Aiii..wee mboss Kenya power was insolvent in 2002(with kshs 5 billion loss) surviving at the mercy of creditors and the goodwill of government. The restructuring worked but it is still a work in progress but it's good to see this giant awakening but it still has a lot of old-school mindset in its ranks. Retiring expensive loans is big kudos to management. keny Re has junk status credit rating(BBB) oops sorry below investment grade
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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mkonomtupu wrote:MaichBlack wrote:As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money.
Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit. Aiii..wee mboss Kenya power was insolvent in 2002(with kshs 5 billion loss) surviving at the mercy of creditors and the goodwill of government. The restructuring worked but it is still a work in progress but it's good to see this giant awakening but it still has a lot of old-school mindset in its ranks. Retiring expensive loans is big kudos to management. keny Re has junk status credit rating(BBB) oops sorry below investment grade Do we buy shares based on current performance and projected performance or performance for 13 years ago??? Where were Equity, KCB et. al in 2002?? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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MaichBlack wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:MaichBlack wrote:As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money.
Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit. Aiii..wee mboss Kenya power was insolvent in 2002(with kshs 5 billion loss) surviving at the mercy of creditors and the goodwill of government. The restructuring worked but it is still a work in progress but it's good to see this giant awakening but it still has a lot of old-school mindset in its ranks. Retiring expensive loans is big kudos to management. keny Re has junk status credit rating(BBB) oops sorry below investment grade Do we buy shares based on current performance and projected performance or performance for 13 years ago??? Where were Equity, KCB et. al in 2002?? All i'm saying is that the market does not give guarantees. Kenya power could very easily be stuck with a lot of idle power from the 5000MW project and still end up in the insolvency trap again.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/11/2014 Posts: 228 Location: Nairobi
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mkonomtupu wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:MaichBlack wrote:As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money.
Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit. Aiii..wee mboss Kenya power was insolvent in 2002(with kshs 5 billion loss) surviving at the mercy of creditors and the goodwill of government. The restructuring worked but it is still a work in progress but it's good to see this giant awakening but it still has a lot of old-school mindset in its ranks. Retiring expensive loans is big kudos to management. keny Re has junk status credit rating(BBB) oops sorry below investment grade Do we buy shares based on current performance and projected performance or performance for 13 years ago??? Where were Equity, KCB et. al in 2002?? All i'm saying is that the market does not give guarantees. Kenya power could very easily be stuck with a lot of idle power from the 5000MW project and still end up in the insolvency trap again. Kenya stuck with too much power. You are joking, right?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2007 Posts: 709
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after buying kp at 12.90 last year i exited the whole lot at 15.65 last year.now i can see it just rising. guess it's time to start buying more,coz at 16 it's still cheaper
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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The last time I checked the population supplied with power was about 15-20%.
How then will 5000MW become excess ?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/11/2014 Posts: 228 Location: Nairobi
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Not to mention our high power costs which are forcing some multinationals to relocate and our very poor public transport system which would greatly benefit from infrastructure like subway systems that require lots of electricity. I assume that is the reason for existence of Nuclear Energy Board in a country without enough discipline to keep buildings from collapsing every so often..
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/19/2014 Posts: 125
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I will stock this stock till it goes past 20. Cheap loans equals more money to improve the grid
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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S.Mutaga III wrote:Good company, but too much government control. The government will never let go of this company due to its monopoly status and the fact that it is a utility company. There is always a flip side of being a long term business partner with the government. It does not really care about profits and operates at the expense of minority shareholders. Good valuation, bad long term business partner...so a bad counter in my humble opinion. @Mutaga, just curious why you have changed your opinion on KPLC
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 830
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heri wrote:S.Mutaga III wrote:Good company, but too much government control. The government will never let go of this company due to its monopoly status and the fact that it is a utility company. There is always a flip side of being a long term business partner with the government. It does not really care about profits and operates at the expense of minority shareholders. Good valuation, bad long term business partner...so a bad counter in my humble opinion. @Mutaga, just curious why you have changed your opinion on KPLC 2013 – (-5.5%) 2014 – 87% HY 2015- 38% As you can see above, the company in on the right path to growth. P/E is around 4 which makes it extremely attractive despite the large government shareholding. Sometimes one has to make a decision and compromises, because ideal counters dont exist...so I changed my mind after realizing the heavy discount on this counter. It has only one major disadvantage, which is large government shareholding. If the company is hungry for cash, and does not want to have a rights issue, it may give bonus shares instead and invest the unlocked funds. So I personally think the low dividend problem can be solved through bonus shares or astronomical capital gains. People have made money in counters that are majority held by Uncle Sam. The trick is to know when the leak appears and act accordingly. A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/10/2014 Posts: 966 Location: Kenya
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S.Mutaga III wrote:heri wrote:S.Mutaga III wrote:Good company, but too much government control. The government will never let go of this company due to its monopoly status and the fact that it is a utility company. There is always a flip side of being a long term business partner with the government. It does not really care about profits and operates at the expense of minority shareholders. Good valuation, bad long term business partner...so a bad counter in my humble opinion. @Mutaga, just curious why you have changed your opinion on KPLC 2013 – (-5.5%) 2014 – 87% HY 2015- 38% As you can see above, the company in on the right path to growth. P/E is around 4 which makes it extremely attractive despite the large government shareholding. Sometimes one has to make a decision and compromises, because ideal counters dont exist...so I changed my mind after realizing the heavy discount on this counter. It has only one major disadvantage, which is large government shareholding. If the company is hungry for cash, and does not want to have a rights issue, it may give bonus shares instead and invest the unlocked funds. So I personally think the low dividend problem can be solved through bonus shares or astronomical capital gains. People have made money in counters that are majority held by Uncle Sam. The trick is to know when the leak appears and act accordingly. This stock price will explode when the dividend is doubled...currently there are alot of cashflow problems. Last year there were negative cashflows, most projects mainly financed by loans
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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The one thing that will finish this company is the liberalization of power distribution Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 359
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guru267 wrote:The one thing that will finish this company is the liberalization of power distribution Nothing useful to add;just recall ... ...telkom kenya n even Kq to some extent to name but a coupla notables.
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