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Konza city Reality.
mkeiy
#101 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:39:04 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@murchr..the issue is why the Govt is using tax payers money close to KES 800m to acquire the 5000 acre land. This money should go into providing basic utilities such as fibre optic cable,electricity e.t.c
The project can still be realized without Govt buying the land-all govt needs to do is zone the area as a city.

In the Indian Silicon valley, they bought only 335 acres of land
http://en.wikipedia.org/...Silicon_Valley_of_India
'History

The Electronics City was the brainchild of R K Baliga. He was the first Chairman and Managing Director of Karnataka State Electronics Development Corporation (in 1976 the government agency was created to expand the electronics industry in the state of Karnataka). Baliga proposed the concept of developing the electronic city in the 1970s. The agency purchased 335 acres (1.36 km2) of land 18 km south of Bangalore for its Electronics City project, which was meant to establish an industrial park in Bangalore. '


How would the gov't zone the land to its desired layout if it doesn't have control over it? Its private ranch and i think there would be legal battles which could be more expensive, time wise, than the cash used to buy the land. Why work with ceramic when can have china clay and mold the desired ceramic? WHY?
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#102 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:23:14 AM
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@ mkeiy...Govt thru Ministry of Local Authorities Bye Laws and Urban Areas and Cities Bill/Law controls all land usage within the jurisdiction of kenya.
http://www.a4architect.c...s-and-cities-bill-2011/
Once Govt. ascertains than a particular land use is of benefit to the people of Kenya, it then introduces/enforces a Bye law and now there is even a further law to endure this-Urban Areas and Cities Bill.
Also, there is the Compulsory Land Acquisition Act when push comes to shove e.g during new Roads construction.
http://www.kenyalaw.org/...erm2=Land%20Acquisition

For Example, in Upper Hill/CBD, you cannot construct any low density development even if you own the land. In industrial area, you can only construct an industry-related building . In Muthaiga, you can only construct single dwelling residential within a 0.5 acre land unless you apply for a change of user giving very good reasons as to why you want to deviate.
This way, Govt controls all land uses and plot sizes.

The original Konza ranch owners, 600 people each owning around 8 acres sold the land at KES 200K per acre. The land has increased 5-fold by now. If the demand-supply markets were left to play to each other, the amount of land available for sale would have been in over-supply hence the price would not have increased this much.The original owners will be the biggest beneficiaries since they can now sell their land at a higher price than the 200k pr acre.
See current sale prices here
http://countrywidegeoinf...for-sale/64-malili.html

http://josekinyaga.co.ke...iew=property&id=121
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selah
#103 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:25:00 AM
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If I was In charge of the Konza city implementation committee This is what I would have done.

Encourage by offerig incentives to UoN,strathmore,Egerton and JKUAT to set up technological campuses in Konza this will attract private developers(housing) and other businesses(cafeterias,shops,malls) to cater for the students ,lecturers and visitors.

Once these campuses are established with basic amenities in place its easy for big Businesses to set up base.The easily available cheap labour and housing will make the place conducive for business.

Another way of doing it is attracting big player like safaricom & Airtel's spanco to set up their BPOs in Konza,we have also very successful biotech companies like universal & GlaxoSmithKline that employ thousands of employees, these companies can boost Konza rapid growth.

Kenyans have the capacity to make Konza a reality all that is needed is collaboration and the right incentives.All we are seeing is how Konza is going to be with little to show on how its going to get there.

Take Isiolo for instance the confusion on the ground has fueled animosity among communities.The blueprint is not public, so speculators are taking advantage and fuelling a land scrabble that is turning to be a nightmare for the locals.

The same thing seems to be happening in Konza just last week the Government had to issue a 10km warning to developers how many kenyans will loose cash from speculators who are probably selling Konza with allotment letters.




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#104 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:56:03 AM
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http://www.casepolicy.org/?p=285
''The construction of the technopolis is hinged on a model where the government offers land, legal backing, and architectural plans to investors to build business process outsourcing (BPO) ventures, a science park, shopping malls, hotels, international schools and health facilities.

Dr Ndemo has stepped up the search for investors in time for ground breaking in August, arguing that Parliament and the Cabinet recognise the existence of special economic zones.''
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mkeiy
#105 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:56:27 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@ mkeiy...Govt thru Ministry of Local Authorities Bye Laws and Urban Areas and Cities Bill/Law controls all land usage within the jurisdiction of kenya.
http://www.a4architect.c...s-and-cities-bill-2011/
Once Govt. ascertains than a particular land use is of benefit to the people of Kenya, it then introduces/enforces a Bye law and now there is even a further law to endure this-Urban Areas and Cities Bill.
Also, there is the Compulsory Land Acquisition Act when push comes to shove e.g during new Roads construction.
http://www.kenyalaw.org/...erm2=Land%20Acquisition

For Example, in Upper Hill/CBD, you cannot construct any low density development even if you own the land. In industrial area, you can only construct an industry-related building . In Muthaiga, you can only construct single dwelling residential within a 0.5 acre land unless you apply for a change of user giving very good reasons as to why you want to deviate.
This way, Govt controls all land uses and plot sizes.

You are talking of Nairobi, a CITY. Konza is some ranch, open land. No roads, no sewer, no public utilities land. Nairobi has roads, you can say from road A to road B, all that land is residential,etc,etc. In a ranch, how do you do that? Compulsory acquisition and outright buying, which is better coz at the end of it all, a price is paid. How as a gov't, do you zone Konza? A private land. DON'T mention Nairobi,i know.
alma
#106 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:06:03 AM
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selah wrote:


The same thing seems to be happening in Konza just last week the Government had to issue a 10km warning to developers how many kenyans will loose cash from speculators who are probably selling Konza with allotment letters.






Just wait until they start allocating the plots in Konza. Who will the gov't sell to the space right in the middle of the city? Why don't they want competitive bidding as is the law according to the AG?

Who said that the next gov't PS will want to go on with the plan as is? What happens if 3 years from now the expected investors find another country to go to? What if there is another tech bubble? Heck, what if Kenyans fight again? Hizi ni swali nyeti.

Can you explain in plain words without gov't speak how you are going to make Apple move from China where electricity is cheaper and ever present and the populace is well educated, to Konza where the exact opposite is true?

I have more questions as an investor but I think these are enough to get anyone thinking and moving Konza or any such project in the right direction.


We have a habit in Kenya of coming up with slogans such as Vision 2030, kazi kwa vijana etc without ever considering the challenges we face RIGHT NOW. Only when we accept the challenges can we deal with them. I dare anyone in ICT to take a walk to Rwanda and Egypt.


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#107 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:22:55 AM
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@ Selah..good points. The best way to kickstart Konza city is by attracting universities for the human capital. The area is best situated for expansion of Nairobi City coz of proximity to Mombasa road/railway/airport/cheap vacant land.
Another way is to use most resources to lay city infrastructure e.g elec,roads, fibre optic e.t.c.
Kenyan ICT talent is abundant, judging from the numerous ICT startups especially in the money transfer field.
My only issue with the ICT Board was on why they had to spend 1 B on land instead on infrastructure.But after seeing the budget that they have,120 million USD, i understand that money is not a limitation in executing this project.
See a similar heated debate here where Dr. Bitange Ndemo himself has replied to comments
http://www.kictanet.or.ke/?p=6295

http://www.google.co.ke/...bjs7l57LufGsnjvCecwOrGFw
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#108 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:34:45 AM
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mkeiy wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@ mkeiy...Govt thru Ministry of Local Authorities Bye Laws and Urban Areas and Cities Bill/Law controls all land usage within the jurisdiction of kenya.
http://www.a4architect.c...s-and-cities-bill-2011/
Once Govt. ascertains than a particular land use is of benefit to the people of Kenya, it then introduces/enforces a Bye law and now there is even a further law to endure this-Urban Areas and Cities Bill.
Also, there is the Compulsory Land Acquisition Act when push comes to shove e.g during new Roads construction.
http://www.kenyalaw.org/...erm2=Land%20Acquisition

For Example, in Upper Hill/CBD, you cannot construct any low density development even if you own the land. In industrial area, you can only construct an industry-related building . In Muthaiga, you can only construct single dwelling residential within a 0.5 acre land unless you apply for a change of user giving very good reasons as to why you want to deviate.
This way, Govt controls all land uses and plot sizes.

You are talking of Nairobi, a CITY. Konza is some ranch, open land. No roads, no sewer, no public utilities land. Nairobi has roads, you can say from road A to road B, all that land is residential,etc,etc. In a ranch, how do you do that? Compulsory acquisition and outright buying, which is better coz at the end of it all, a price is paid. How as a gov't, do you zone Konza? A private land. DON'T mention Nairobi,i know.


@mkeiy..these Laws apply to all land in the Kenyan republic.
1.Local Authority Bylwas
2. Urban Areas and Cities.
http://www.a4architect.c...s-and-cities-bill-2011/

In a ranch that has 600 people with title deeds to 8 acre pieces of land, all Govt needs to do is set a minimum land size e.g 1 to 5 acres for subdivision.
While subdividing, the Local Authority will then set a minimum size of road width for subdivision approval-say 15 m wide which is ok for a city.
The Local Authority planners will then use some rationale e.g land near Msa road should be commercial, land further away, residential e.t.c to come up with a bye law that will regulate the zoning. These bye laws usually have peoples interest at heart represented by their councilors during the meetings.
Last week, Govt advertised in the papers for the Konza city zoning plan gazetement so they are already in the final details of this.

There is no need for compulsory acquisition act in Konza since there are no existing buildings-its a vast grassland.
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#109 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:37:04 AM
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This discussion has changed.

@a4archtect, are you now OK with Konza so long as GoK doesn't buy the land?

If yes, what do you think will be the incentive for firms to move there? Who will provide services(roads, sewer, street lighting etc)? Is it the Machakos County Govt?

Please remember that under the new law, county govts which are more autonomous than the local authorities we knew, will be in charge of provision of planning and provision of basic infrastructure in their areas.

I doubt the central govt would want to entrust such a project to a county govt which will have a lot of other commitments. Also, they are unlikely to have the expertise needed for such a project!
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#110 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:47:54 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:


There is no need for compulsory acquisition act in Konza since there are no existing buildings-its a vast grassland.

What would make existing land owners want to sell the land soon instead of doing it how most of us would do it-wait for investors to come and then sell it to them at 5-6 times the price I would sell today?

This approach would definitely slow down the project!
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