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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi
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poundfoolish wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:poundfoolish wrote:paulkimani wrote:
Cytonn’s in-house lawyer, Patricia Wanjama – as well as being enjoined in the Britam suit – is being investigated by the LSK disciplinary committee. Her own father sits on the board of the LSK disciplinary committee, and Cytonn also now sponsors the LSK - as stated on the LSK website.
Many companies and individuals are creating real estate deals much larger than Cytonn – which begs the question – why is the media focusing on Cytonn (see BD article on Cytonn “Causing a storm” in the real estate market) – Are they “sponsoring” the media also?
I understand Horton did not approve of this comment on a previous thread as I am a “Hello”, however these are indeed important questions to ask before investing your money with anyone. Yes, I am new to this – I am also aware that if you invest, you must do so having conducted the necessary due diligence to ensure your investment is in safe and clean hands.
I’d be interested to read other people’s opinions on this forum.
You joined on 19th January 2016 and that there, what I have quoted, on 21st January 2016 was your first post. You have kept the thread going for 5 years. 56 pages later and 1,072 posts on how the company is going down. I have to give it to you on consistency. May your next paymaster be as generous and persistent Lots of respect for @paulkimani. Reminds me of KQ, after 2012, and the constant abuse anyone who said anything that wasn't praising KQ took...  Perhaps some of us may have thought of investing in Cytonn but lucked out thanks to PK To each his own.. We should thank those who share their insights and information. PK has been on the ball. And things are not looking much better for Cytonn unless the real estate market has a sharp reversal. Good luck to all. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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VituVingiSana wrote:poundfoolish wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:poundfoolish wrote:paulkimani wrote:
Cytonn’s in-house lawyer, Patricia Wanjama – as well as being enjoined in the Britam suit – is being investigated by the LSK disciplinary committee. Her own father sits on the board of the LSK disciplinary committee, and Cytonn also now sponsors the LSK - as stated on the LSK website.
Many companies and individuals are creating real estate deals much larger than Cytonn – which begs the question – why is the media focusing on Cytonn (see BD article on Cytonn “Causing a storm” in the real estate market) – Are they “sponsoring” the media also?
I understand Horton did not approve of this comment on a previous thread as I am a “Hello”, however these are indeed important questions to ask before investing your money with anyone. Yes, I am new to this – I am also aware that if you invest, you must do so having conducted the necessary due diligence to ensure your investment is in safe and clean hands.
I’d be interested to read other people’s opinions on this forum.
You joined on 19th January 2016 and that there, what I have quoted, on 21st January 2016 was your first post. You have kept the thread going for 5 years. 56 pages later and 1,072 posts on how the company is going down. I have to give it to you on consistency. May your next paymaster be as generous and persistent Lots of respect for @paulkimani. Reminds me of KQ, after 2012, and the constant abuse anyone who said anything that wasn't praising KQ took... Perhaps some of us may have thought of investing in Cytonn but lucked out thanks to PK To each his own.. We should thank those who share their insights and information. PK has been on the ball. And things are not looking much better for Cytonn unless the real estate market has a sharp reversal. Good luck to all. I agree we should thank people, however slander and outright malice do not deserve thanks. Talking about people having "white powder" on their nose before a meeting with a client?? That's completely uncalled for. Even if the whole leadership is a bunch of junkies, I highly doubt they would be appearing before clients with coke stains on their nose. That is bullshit and should not be thanked. The discussions on cytonn have been very different from the KQ discussions in the early 10s. There were discussion on fundamental like hedging on fuel this paul kimani discussion has been about people and rarely does he ever get to fundamentals.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/19/2016 Posts: 204
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“Three businessmen sue Cytonn over Ksh.46 million investment”https://citizentv.co.ke/...ion-investment-7040145/
PS thanks to the ones supporting me on this forum
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Why is this news? Mention any serious business in operation and I will point you to at least 10 cases where they have sued or been sued. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/19/2016 Posts: 204
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because, sparkly, it LITERALLY was in the news yesterday and i will continue posting news articles. you're asking questions with the answers already in themselves just to hate. go outside, breathe some fresh air and scroll past what i post if it agitates you that much.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/19/2016 Posts: 204
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Freedom of expression is enshrined in Article 33 of the 2010 constitution and includes the rights to seek, receive, or impart information and ideas.
It may be LIMITED which ONLY MEANS propaganda, hate speech, and incitement to violence are not protected by the constitution. Posting NEWS articles and ALSO having PERSONAL opinions are protected. If they were not, we would be in a dictatorship WHICH WE ARE NOT IN. Don't talk about what you don't know sparkly. You may dislike me but don't lie just to say something about me!  sparkly wrote:There are only 4 absolute rights under our Constitution that cannot be limited. Free speech isn't one of them (See Articles 24 & 25 of the Constitution).
[quote=paulkimani]People are being SUED by CYTONN for writing on social media that they have not been paid.
Investors have not been paid and yet a company is trying to silence them.
Our constitution allows for free speech. Cytonn is trying to stop an investor having the right to freedom of speech. Let that sink in.
Cytonn is using a baseless legal tactic to try stall attention away from
The Fact they have not paid clients. This suit will not hold in a court of law.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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paulkimani wrote:Freedom of expression is enshrined in Article 33 of the 2010 constitution and includes the rights to seek, receive, or impart information and ideas.
It may be LIMITED which ONLY MEANS propaganda, hate speech, and incitement to violence are not protected by the constitution. Posting NEWS articles and ALSO having PERSONAL opinions are protected. If they were not, we would be in a dictatorship WHICH WE ARE NOT IN. Don't talk about what you don't know sparkly. You may dislike me but don't lie just to say something about me! sparkly wrote:There are only 4 absolute rights under our Constitution that cannot be limited. Free speech isn't one of them (See Articles 24 & 25 of the Constitution).
[quote=paulkimani]People are being SUED by CYTONN for writing on social media that they have not been paid.
Investors have not been paid and yet a company is trying to silence them.
Our constitution allows for free speech. Cytonn is trying to stop an investor having the right to freedom of speech. Let that sink in.
Cytonn is using a baseless legal tactic to try stall attention away from
The Fact they have not paid clients. This suit will not hold in a court of law.
Is it your intention to teach Law to a Lawyer of several year's standing and a Masters of Law Degree? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/19/2016 Posts: 204
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Intention is to correct you, or any lawyer or layman who has misread the main legal text of our country, regardless of any masters you or anyone holds.
Also a little embarrassing, isn’t it, that you aren’t aware of the fundamental rights granted to us by our constitution, wakili. A repeat of KSL may be something for you to consider.
PS - it’s “years” not year’s
PPS - Law and Lawyer should not be capitalised unless at the beginning of a sentence. You may want to repeat legal skills and legal drafting modules at KSL. At the end of the day, anyone with funds can hold a degree. Whether or not they are smart, or have any knowledge (in this case of the Kenyan Constitution) is another matter. sparkly wrote:paulkimani wrote:Freedom of expression is enshrined in Article 33 of the 2010 constitution and includes the rights to seek, receive, or impart information and ideas.
It may be LIMITED which ONLY MEANS propaganda, hate speech, and incitement to violence are not protected by the constitution. Posting NEWS articles and ALSO having PERSONAL opinions are protected. If they were not, we would be in a dictatorship WHICH WE ARE NOT IN. Don't talk about what you don't know sparkly. You may dislike me but don't lie just to say something about me! sparkly wrote:There are only 4 absolute rights under our Constitution that cannot be limited. Free speech isn't one of them (See Articles 24 & 25 of the Constitution).
[quote=paulkimani]People are being SUED by CYTONN for writing on social media that they have not been paid.
Investors have not been paid and yet a company is trying to silence them.
Our constitution allows for free speech. Cytonn is trying to stop an investor having the right to freedom of speech. Let that sink in.
Cytonn is using a baseless legal tactic to try stall attention away from
The Fact they have not paid clients. This suit will not hold in a court of law.
Is it your intention to teach Law to a Lawyer of several year's standing and a Masters of Law Degree?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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paulkimani wrote:Intention is to correct you, or any lawyer or layman who has misread the main legal text of our country, regardless of any masters you or anyone holds.
Also a little embarrassing, isn’t it, that you aren’t aware of the fundamental rights granted to us by our constitution, wakili. A repeat of KSL may be something for you to consider.
PS - it’s “years” not year’s
PPS - Law and Lawyer should not be capitalised unless at the beginning of a sentence. You may want to repeat legal skills and legal drafting modules at KSL. At the end of the day, anyone with funds can hold a degree. Whether or not they are smart, or have any knowledge (in this case of the Kenyan Constitution) is another matter. sparkly wrote:paulkimani wrote:Freedom of expression is enshrined in Article 33 of the 2010 constitution and includes the rights to seek, receive, or impart information and ideas.
It may be LIMITED which ONLY MEANS propaganda, hate speech, and incitement to violence are not protected by the constitution. Posting NEWS articles and ALSO having PERSONAL opinions are protected. If they were not, we would be in a dictatorship WHICH WE ARE NOT IN. Don't talk about what you don't know sparkly. You may dislike me but don't lie just to say something about me! sparkly wrote:There are only 4 absolute rights under our Constitution that cannot be limited. Free speech isn't one of them (See Articles 24 & 25 of the Constitution).
[quote=paulkimani]People are being SUED by CYTONN for writing on social media that they have not been paid.
Investors have not been paid and yet a company is trying to silence them.
Our constitution allows for free speech. Cytonn is trying to stop an investor having the right to freedom of speech. Let that sink in.
Cytonn is using a baseless legal tactic to try stall attention away from
The Fact they have not paid clients. This suit will not hold in a court of law.
Is it your intention to teach Law to a Lawyer of several year's standing and a Masters of Law Degree? 1. The tragedy nowadays is that even people with Diplomas in Mass Communication from KIMC read the Constitution like a story book and assume they are experts in the law. 2. Go back to Article 33 and read Sub-Article (3), which reads: Quote:33(3) In the exercise of the right to freedom of expression, every person shall respect the rights and reputation of others. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/19/2016 Posts: 204
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Being able to post news articles and give ones opinion on a company which already has a terrible reputation and has been accused of fraud by companies like Britam IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH and not disrespecting any persons rights. Just because the CEO of Cytonn cries foul anytime there’s any bad publicity is no ones problem, except his own ego. You clearly have misinterpreted the law. Maybe you are Cytonn’s legal intern, as they don’t have a strong in-house legal. That’s my opinion which is protected under our Constitution. Anyway good morning and good bye. This conversation has gone off topic from the thread. Keep hating. sparkly wrote:paulkimani wrote:Intention is to correct you, or any lawyer or layman who has misread the main legal text of our country, regardless of any masters you or anyone holds.
Also a little embarrassing, isn’t it, that you aren’t aware of the fundamental rights granted to us by our constitution, wakili. A repeat of KSL may be something for you to consider.
PS - it’s “years” not year’s
PPS - Law and Lawyer should not be capitalised unless at the beginning of a sentence. You may want to repeat legal skills and legal drafting modules at KSL. At the end of the day, anyone with funds can hold a degree. Whether or not they are smart, or have any knowledge (in this case of the Kenyan Constitution) is another matter. sparkly wrote:paulkimani wrote:Freedom of expression is enshrined in Article 33 of the 2010 constitution and includes the rights to seek, receive, or impart information and ideas.
It may be LIMITED which ONLY MEANS propaganda, hate speech, and incitement to violence are not protected by the constitution. Posting NEWS articles and ALSO having PERSONAL opinions are protected. If they were not, we would be in a dictatorship WHICH WE ARE NOT IN. Don't talk about what you don't know sparkly. You may dislike me but don't lie just to say something about me! sparkly wrote:There are only 4 absolute rights under our Constitution that cannot be limited. Free speech isn't one of them (See Articles 24 & 25 of the Constitution).
[quote=paulkimani]People are being SUED by CYTONN for writing on social media that they have not been paid.
Investors have not been paid and yet a company is trying to silence them.
Our constitution allows for free speech. Cytonn is trying to stop an investor having the right to freedom of speech. Let that sink in.
Cytonn is using a baseless legal tactic to try stall attention away from
The Fact they have not paid clients. This suit will not hold in a court of law.
Is it your intention to teach Law to a Lawyer of several year's standing and a Masters of Law Degree? 1. The tragedy nowadays is that even people with Diplomas in Mass Communication from KIMC read the Constitution like a story book and assume they are experts in the law. 2. Go back to Article 33 and read Sub-Article (3), which reads: Quote:33(3) In the exercise of the right to freedom of expression, every person shall respect the rights and reputation of others.
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