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KCB Rights
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#91 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:36:15 PM
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...and it's only day 7

BBI will solve it
:)
Gordon Gekko
#92 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:26:41 PM
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Dumped my rights today at 0.70, so a post rights price of 16.20 ceteris paribus will be OK for me. Lower will be a gain.
mkonomtupu
#93 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:45:03 PM
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Location: River Road
It's been quite some time since i came to wazua. I was just looking at the posts and it seems most of us are conservative when it comes to investment. Why do we find it so hard to give a company capital to grow ? I have invested in some unquoted shares and when you invest you do so without worrying about the price fluctuations. If the business plan is good and you know the management can execute, why not invest. I wonder how many of us would have given Michael Joseph capital in the year 2000?
@Pkoli...Imara kama simba
Kausha
#94 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:05:41 PM
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Chief,

The problem is there is no business plan here. Mortgages and sending money to flog Tz and Ug operations don't amount to a meaningful business plan.

MJ would have gotten money then, ARM and Kengen easily raised money because they had tangible business plans. All investors want is a sound business plan, not the size of the balance sheet and regional presence.
the deal
#95 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:11:10 PM
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Kausha wrote:
Chief,

The problem is there is no business plan here. Mortgages and sending money to flog Tz and Ug operations don't amount to a meaningful business plan.

MJ would have gotten money then, ARM and Kengen easily raised money because they had tangible business plans. All investors want is a sound business plan, not the size of the balance sheet and regional presence.

well said...
mkonomtupu
#96 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:22:00 PM
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Location: River Road
@Kausha,

That's not what i get from the posts above its more like most wazuarians don't doubt the future of KCB they just don't want to provide the capital but will jump in once the capital has been provided. That's where i have a problem.

As for KCB you have to throw money into mortgages not for retail buyers but the big property developers who then resell to retail buyers. I think that where KCB is headed looking at what they have done with GOSS in juba. For the record am not endorsing their business plan as solid but KCB took in too much deposits straining its ratios so there is a lot of funds to free up for onward lending.

As ARM this share was a measly 11-16/- before the Actis put in funds to clean its processes. Kengen got capital because they offered a high rate of return for the bond 12.5%(very expensive if you ask me) I don't think they would have done better if they had done equity.
As for MJ remember a SIM card in that year was almost 2500/-
mkonomtupu
#97 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:43:25 PM
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Location: River Road
Kausha wrote:
Chief,

The problem is there is no business plan here. Mortgages and sending money to flog Tz and Ug operations don't amount to a meaningful business plan.

.


TZ has capital need of 0.8 million and Ug 1.4b, kenyan operations around 12b. where is the flogging?

S&L had a profit of 77 million in 2005 and in 2009 it had a profit of 1.016 billion. It makes sense to invest in the mortgage.
Gordon Gekko
#98 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:55:44 AM
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Joined: 5/27/2008
Posts: 3,760
Say you have 1000 rights. Sell 900 rights. In your PAL, purchase the 100 shares remaining in your rights (partial acceptance of new shares). Then also purchase 900 additional shares together with the 100. Am I missing something or is this a cow waiting to be milked? smile smile
qw25041985
#99 Posted : Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:06:09 AM
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Location: Nai
@pkoli. Are you sure over 800 milliön additional shares of k.b.c wount affect the price.
If u think the price wount be negatively affectd y are fund managers one the sidelines. Its coz they are awaitin 4 the price to drop ....so rush at ur own peril.
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
guru267
#100 Posted : Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:23:11 PM
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Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
qw25041985 wrote:
@pkoli. Are you sure over 800 milliön additional shares of k.b.c wount affect the price.
If u think the price wount be negatively affectd y are fund managers one the sidelines. Its coz they are awaitin 4 the price to drop ....so rush at ur own peril.

@qw... Actually fund managers have entered into KCB quarter way and are waiting for the results... There is no way they can sit fully on the sidelines with a fair chance of an oversubscription
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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