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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 625 Location: Nairobi
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Pablo, Thanks a million.i will look at it. The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 10
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Hi guys and girls. I just stumbled upon this site while looking for info on constructing in Kenya (very frustrating to plan a project from abroad). This site and this thread have been very helpful and refreshing, the discussions I have read in the last 2 hours are very mature and contructive, quite refreshing. I hope to be an active member and have fruitful debates with you guys.
Anyway, enough a*slicking. I am planning to build a 2 storey building in mombasa next summer. I was aware that the prices and costs have gone up tremendously in the last 2 yrs or so because of money being poured by our somali brothers (no offence intended towards somalis, that is just the reason everybody is giving for the unrealistic and unhealthy surge in property prices at the coast). But I had no idea they have gone up this much.
So, I have the land, approved plans, I have coral bricks, doors and windows, basins, wardrobe doors etc and other stuff I have been slowly collecting over the last year. What is remaining is the labour, cement, ballast, sand, cables and chuma.
The building would be on 250sqm, ground floor with shops and a big hall behind for some other business I intend to do, 1st and 2nd floors with four 2br flats each.
I have a few questions for the more knowledgable.
1. Do the estimates quoted here apply for Mombasa also? 2. Does anyone have any how much cement, steel bars, sand and balast would be required for such a project and how much they cost? 3. Im planning to get a group of fundis and supervise them myself. How much would the labour cost be? 4. Does anyone have contacts with some contractors in Mombasa who can give me quotations? And reliable engineers who will be able to visit once a week or so.
I have many more questions but I don't want to ask for too much on my first post.
Thank you all in advance for any insight you might be able to give.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 4 Location: Nairobi
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Hi guys,
Very nice educative forum this is...am intrigued. Am an engineer by profession and must say, you guyz got the facts right however laymanish it may sound...kudos
Now, for those interested in hydra-form technology. I have ever used it...It is a technology that employs an equipment (hydra-form machine)imported from SA. Depending on the plasticity of soil, a small % of cement is added to the soil and the mixture moulded into the building blocks...The machine is capable of producing 5000 blocks per day...The blocks are interlocking so no mortar is required between them...The machine is expensive (about 2M, last time i checked 2007)unless one needs it for commercial purposes, so it is cheaper to hire.
There is however a cheaper locally manufactured version of the hydra-form called Makiga...sure u must have seen it advertised at the back of newspapers every now and then...it is about KSh. 75,000. Employs more or less the same technology of interlocking stabilised hydraform blocks. The Makiga however produces about 500 blocks per day.
@ Mkosti, the average cost given by Pablo and confirmed by others of about 14,000/m2 still applies in Mombasa, for as long as you are constructing a standard building...variations may set in when it comes to finishes you decide to use....this is especially the case for commercial buildings...since a number of factors such as usage and class come into play.
For the estimates, u need to engage a QS, to go through the plans and calculate the quantities of materials ...then u can check suppliers around the area you are building and compare prices...the tricky thing you need to know about kazi ya mjengo is...u need to look aggressive when approaching guys (suppliers, foremen, etc), when u show any sign of naiveness....you get smashed financially...look like one of them, if possible, leave the car home and walk...
In case of any further queries, feel free to ask.
All the best.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/26/2010 Posts: 10 Location: chicago, il
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The most constructive thread ever, hands down! I'm about to get started on a building project and this post has really opened my eyes to the reality of constructing a house. believe me, I have no idea when it comes to building. I have some questions to anyone who may have an opinion. 1)viability of a 80*40 plot for residential flats 2b/room. 1 unit per floor. 3 levels. is that too much to squeeze in for standard size rooms? 2) Any good, reasonable architect anyone knows of? Thanks wazuans. Opinions appreciated. A MAN FOREWARNED IS A MAN FOREARMED
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 10
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Thanks Kenyan engineer,
I am trying to do the BQ by myself just to get an idea of how much money I will need. Its tough getting info but fortunately there are some people out there willing to share.
I have a few questions for now if you dont mind,
1. Do you have any idea of how much it costs to dig a borehole? I see more and more people having their own boreholes and I am toying with the option.
2. What are the gauges of the steel bars needed in the columns and the slabs?
3. Approximately how much does electrical wire in Kenya cost? I am thinking of bringing some from my job here but Im not sure its worth it if its cheap in Kenya.
4. How deep should one excavate for a 3 storey house on Mombasa island?
Thanks a lot for your input!
@ Kenyamoja I think you can have more than much more than one unit on an 80*40 piece of land. Hell my plans have 2 4br flats per floor on 75*40 and they look pretty standard in size (Im planning some changes though). Most Swahili houses are on 40*40 and people are building high on them with 2 appartments of 2br each. Some are even putting 3 or 4 flats per floor but I think they are quite small and squeezed. So its very viable.
About architects I have no idea unfortunately cos Im not in Kenya. My plans were made long ago and are from a building my cousin did on full contract but I plan to modify them before having them stamped.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 4 Location: Nairobi
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@ Mkosti
The rate of Sinking a borehole is on average Ksh. 15,000/metre depth. In addition, you'll have to pay for mobilisation cost which depends on how far your site is relative to the drilling contractor.
Reinforcement: A building intended for simple domestic use will require: Columns Y12 Slabs Y12 Beams Y12 If the beams are of long spans e.g from column to column, you might have to increase the gauge to Y16. PS: This reinforcement applies for a typical 3 storey flat intended for domestic use...In the case of a commercial building, its imperative to go through the design first.
@ Soil excavation for the foundation typically is dependent on the quality of soil of the area... If the soil is of good quality e.g gravel, 1.0m depth excavation is appropriate. If the soil is of poor quality e.g Black cotton soil, you might have to strip it off completely. In the case where the poor quality soil goes beyond 2m, then it is advisable to consider doing a strip foundation instead to avoid the expensive excavation and filling cost.
@ Kenyamoja, a 80X40 piece of land is enough for your venture. The number of houses on each floor depends on your design or rather on the area of each house.
-square meter area of each unit -Do you want to provide parking lot, play area or other amenities in the plot? -The class of people you expect to attract to either buy or rent the units
Assuming a 2br standard house of 80SQM,Playground/parking lot, you can construct 2 units per floor with spacious landings and staircases....Otherwise, if the location of the building site does not demand such added amenities you could add another 2br unit to each floor.
Hope this helps...
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2008 Posts: 288
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Am currently shopping for roofing tiles. My fundi is recommending i buy tiles from Crystal Tiles Ltd, in Embakasi, Nairobi. Is there any one with experience in their tiles? I am meant to understand that there are fake tiles in the market so i dont want to make mistakes.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2008 Posts: 567 Location: Nairobi
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Are you doing "matufali" (clay tiles) ama stone coated iron sheets?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 10
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Thnx for your replies Kenyan Engineer. Will post more questions as the planning process goes on. You and Pablo rock!
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/8/2009 Posts: 171
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mkosti wrote: 1. Do you have any idea of how much it costs to dig a borehole? I see more and more people having their own boreholes and I am toying with the option.
@Mkosti, I have a contact in Mombasa who exclusively does the borehole drilling. The Last time I checked, he was charging between 100-150K depending on his surveys; all inclusive. He uses some drilling equipment and takes less than a week to complete the assignments. The water-bed in Mombasa is luckily shallow. For more, get him on 0721382582 (Ali) ¡ʇɹoɟɟǝ ƃuıɟɟǝ ǝɥʇ ɹoɟ ɥɔnɯ os ؛uıɐʌ uı ɔıqɐɹɐ ƃuıuɹɐǝן pǝıɹʇ ı
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2008 Posts: 288
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Are you doing "matufali" (clay tiles) ama stone coated iron sheets?
@ Pablo -Stone coated iron sheets
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/14/2010 Posts: 53 Location: Nairobi
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Morning all,
- given that 1/8 of an acre = 5445 sq ft, upto how many sq ft is allowable to build a house on that piece of land? The reason am asking is, am looking for house plans on the internet and need to know the limitations.
just to give a rough idea of what we are thinking for the 1/8: garage/store for 2 cars; lounge & dining area; kitchen with pantry: dhobi area; small bar; one guest bedroom downstairs with toilet & shower; two bedrooms upstairs with closets; one toilet / shower unit shared; master bedroom ensuite with or without walk-in closet; all three rooms with balconies; if there is space on the landing we could do a family / tv space. If the space is adequate upstairs for a fourth small room, we could do a family / tv / library / study area.
- there are some funky house plans on the web and question is are there limitations in the design you choose for a house especially in Syokimau area.
thanks.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/14/2010 Posts: 53 Location: Nairobi
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Swanky2010 wrote:Morning all,
- given that 1/8 of an acre = 5445 sq ft, upto how many sq ft is allowable to build a house on that piece of land? The reason am asking is, am looking for house plans on the internet and need to know the limitations.
just to give a rough idea of what we are thinking for the 1/8: garage/store for 2 cars; lounge & dining area; kitchen with pantry: dhobi area; small bar; one guest bedroom downstairs with toilet & shower; two bedrooms upstairs with closets; one toilet / shower unit shared; master bedroom ensuite with or without walk-in closet; all three rooms with balconies; if there is space on the landing we could do a family / tv space. If the space is adequate upstairs for a fourth small room, we could do a family / tv / library / study area.
- there are some funky house plans on the web and question is are there limitations in the design you choose for a house especially in Syokimau area.
thanks. hi guyz, any help is really welcome!!!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/11/2010 Posts: 34 Location: Nairobi
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@kenyanengineer- thanks for the brief on hydraform. I have seen the 2 machines and the photos of the units built - www.hydraform.com. Do you know of someone with experience in the tech that i can consult to build a mansionete. Thanks
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 4 Location: Nairobi
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@ Swanky, that's a very tricky question to ask someone who won't be living in the house, because tastes are a bit different when it comes to personal space.All the same I'll try answering you based on discussions i have had with many homeowners that i have dealt with.
A house in the range of 2200 to 2600 sq ft should be able to give you sizeable airy rooms and also leave enough land to have a walk around garden....plant one or two trees and have area for having a barbeque....
The trick in building houses nowadays is to provide space and air in the house...large big windows to bring in as much light as possible, enough compound on the outside for kids to play and for relaxation, one or two trees here and there for shade, flower garden to make it homely. That's the reason why you see in many property adverts, vendors specifying that the property has mature garden and putting a high price on it....
Anyway, hope this helps...feel free to seek further clarification.
@Longman, i have a contact for someone who has experience in the tech and owns the hydraform machine..0722-393187 Rapando.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2008 Posts: 567 Location: Nairobi
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@Swanky2010
Most 1/8ths are 50 x 100 or 5,000SQft. The house you are talking of would be at least 4,000sq ft. Assuming you are doing 2 floors thats at least 2,000sq ft floor area for the house. If you include an access road to you garage youd be left with like a compound of 50 x 50 which is ok.
You really have to plan your compound well before building else youll be oppening the kitchen door and land on your neighbours plot.
By the way I hope your neighbours have such houses else yours will not be sellable.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/14/2010 Posts: 53 Location: Nairobi
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@pablo, thanks and as usual, you come thru. The plot is within a compound where one of the neighbours has built a huge three flour home on a 3/4 plot of land, so ours would be very modest.
@kenyaengineer, thanks, this gives me an idea of what to look for.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/11/2010 Posts: 34 Location: Nairobi
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@kenyanengineer I will give your contact a call. Thanks.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/11/2010 Posts: 34 Location: Nairobi
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@kenyanengineer- rapando based in msa. Know of any resource in Nairobi? Thanks all the same
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/12/2010 Posts: 4 Location: Nairobi
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@Longman, call this guy Tom- 0722 411 826. He's the sole supplier of the hydraform machines in kenya and might give you contacts of contractors in nairobi. he's based in nairobi. cheers!
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