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Why investing in the NSE is fool's gold and a waste
Ebenyo
#91 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2019 5:16:16 PM
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i like NSE because its the easiest way to own a good business.With kshs 2300 you can easily own 100 shares of safaricom,the current best business in east africa.
I also like my money working for me.With NSE,i just wait for dividends from the companies that i own twice a year.
NSE also reflects the true picture of kenya economy.So im glad to keep in touch with the changing trends in our challenging economy.So according to me its better to invest in NSE.Its my best investment.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
mv_ufanisi
#92 Posted : Thursday, January 03, 2019 6:42:55 PM
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My main thesis here has been to state that there is a better option than the NSE to achieve economic prosperity precisely funding or starting a new venture with a very small portion of your assets say 10%.

Here's why this is especially an important and profitable way to earn your wealth not only for yourself but for the country or continent at large.

1. Most good businesses go and seek out a solution to a problem that affects society or business. Solving this problem usually makes some other people's life or businesses' life easier. That creates additional second order benefits to society.

2. Starting and being successful at a business implies that you have gained new knowledge and experience that can usually be translated into other businesses or fields. That additional knowledge you have gained will likely empower you to do more and bigger projects in future.

3. Even failing at a new business leads to new knowledge about what doesn't work etc which further builds up on point no 2 above.

4. Starting a business usually forces you to learn new things, push your intellect, interact with people in new ways etc. That translates into concrete knowledge not just an almost video game like experience of stock picking at the NSE.

5. Attaining success in a business will typically lead to an increase in employment, payment of taxes, becoming a customer for other services etc which leads to multiple positive effects in the economy.

6. The fact is that we are at a stage as a country where we need a lot of pioneers to build new businesses that will solve the problems we face and open up new possibilities for the future. We are a very young economy with very few companies, we NEED a lot more companies and that means we need a lot of entrepreneurs to be active and build them.

7. Entrepreneurship is the only source of new wealth in an economy. As an entrepreneur you have the possibility of almost creating wealth out of nothing but your creativity that leads to customer satisfaction.

Given a 1M KES capital, you could invest that in the NSE and if you're very lucky (like the Sportpesa jackpot guys) you could do a 100% return in a year. An entrepreneur could take that 1M KES and turn it into 100M KES worth by creating a business that addresses an important need in society while employing people, paying taxes, gaining a lot of real knowledge about how to run a business and creating new capabilities in the country.

Because of the stage where we are as a country, the opportunities for entrepreneurs are myriad and that promises to be where the new wealth will be created.


S.Mutaga III
#93 Posted : Thursday, January 03, 2019 8:19:01 PM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:


Given a 1M KES capital, you could invest that in the NSE and if you're very lucky (like the Sportpesa jackpot guys) you could do a 100% return in a year. An entrepreneur could take that 1M KES and turn it into 100M KES worth by creating a business that addresses an important need in society while employing people, paying taxes, gaining a lot of real knowledge about how to run a business and creating new capabilities in the country.

Because of the stage where we are as a country, the opportunities for entrepreneurs are myriad and that promises to be where the new wealth will be created.



1. What is the success rate of new businesses?
2. It is obvious that you do not understand the meaning of a stock. A stock is part ownership in a business. Therefore, if you buy shares, you are indeed addressing an important need in society through business ownership, employing people and paying taxes. Stop thinking of stocks as pieces of paper or numbers on a screen.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
kenyan2019
#94 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2019 8:47:35 AM
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Easier said than done----->According to a survey released Monday this week by the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics (KNBS), approximately 400,000 micro, small and medium enterprises (MSMEs) did not get to celebrate their second anniversary in the last five years raising concern over sustainability of this critical sector.

https://www.standardmedi...-smes-are-dying-annually
MugundaMan
#95 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2019 9:11:46 AM
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Joined: 1/8/2018
Posts: 2,212
Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
mv_ufanisi wrote:
My main thesis here has been to state that there is a better option than the NSE to achieve economic prosperity precisely funding or starting a new venture with a very small portion of your assets say 10%.

Here's why this is especially an important and profitable way to earn your wealth not only for yourself but for the country or continent at large.

1. Most good businesses go and seek out a solution to a problem that affects society or business. Solving this problem usually makes some other people's life or businesses' life easier. That creates additional second order benefits to society.

2. Starting and being successful at a business implies that you have gained new knowledge and experience that can usually be translated into other businesses or fields. That additional knowledge you have gained will likely empower you to do more and bigger projects in future.

3. Even failing at a new business leads to new knowledge about what doesn't work etc which further builds up on point no 2 above.

4. Starting a business usually forces you to learn new things, push your intellect, interact with people in new ways etc. That translates into concrete knowledge not just an almost video game like experience of stock picking at the NSE.

5. Attaining success in a business will typically lead to an increase in employment, payment of taxes, becoming a customer for other services etc which leads to multiple positive effects in the economy.

6. The fact is that we are at a stage as a country where we need a lot of pioneers to build new businesses that will solve the problems we face and open up new possibilities for the future. We are a very young economy with very few companies, we NEED a lot more companies and that means we need a lot of entrepreneurs to be active and build them.

7. Entrepreneurship is the only source of new wealth in an economy. As an entrepreneur you have the possibility of almost creating wealth out of nothing but your creativity that leads to customer satisfaction.

Given a 1M KES capital, you could invest that in the NSE and if you're very lucky (like the Sportpesa jackpot guys) you could do a 100% return in a year. An entrepreneur could take that 1M KES and turn it into 100M KES worth by creating a business that addresses an important need in society while employing people, paying taxes, gaining a lot of real knowledge about how to run a business and creating new capabilities in the country.

Because of the stage where we are as a country, the opportunities for entrepreneurs are myriad and that promises to be where the new wealth will be created.




Great post. Perhaps Mutaga is right though. We all know that entrepreneurial talent is a scarce resource. Not everyone can run a business successfully. That is why there are CEOs/Owners and there are also low level corporate drones who subsist best taking and obeying orders humbly. If the drone had the ability, they would not be working for the CEO, he/she would have started his own company/business. This is simply a hard fact of life. NSE is easy for them because it involves no real work. Some may be even scared to talk to a new customer in a business setting let alone sell them anything or supervise 5 employees to get a task done. It would be a stretch to imagine they would run a successful business hence the high failure rates for those without the talent or personality for it.
hardwood
#96 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2019 10:02:07 AM
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kenyan2019 wrote:
Easier said than done----->According to a survey released Monday this week by the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics (KNBS), approximately 400,000 micro, small and medium enterprises (MSMEs) did not get to celebrate their second anniversary in the last five years raising concern over sustainability of this critical sector.

https://www.standardmedi...smes-are-dying-annually


So how many businesses have survived? Statistics need to be complete to make sense. Thus they also need to tell us how many businesses were started and how many are surviving. May be over 1 million were started and only 400k collapsed. We need more info.

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hardwood
#97 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2019 10:15:21 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:


Great post. Perhaps Mutaga is right though. We all know that entrepreneurial talent is a scarce resource. Not everyone can run a business successfully. That is why there are CEOs/Owners and there are also low level corporate drones who subsist best taking and obeying orders humbly. If the drone had the ability, they would not be working for the CEO, he/she would have started his own company/business. This is simply a hard fact of life. NSE is easy for them because it involves no real work. Some may be even scared to talk to a new customer in a business setting let alone sell them anything or supervise 5 employees to get a task done. It would be a stretch to imagine they would run a successful business hence the high failure rates for those without the talent or personality for it.


Some other important observations from the report...

https://www.standardmedi...smes-are-dying-annually

Quote:
A tough economic environment combined with individual decisions in which some of the operators diverted returns to other non-business areas rather than re-investing saw most of them take a hit.

Dr Joyce Kiiru, an economics lecturer at the University of Nairobi, said beside difficulties in formalising MSMEs, most people who neither have the skills nor passion for business are getting into the SME sector for lack of “meaningful employment.” Such businesses are more likely to die sooner than later.
mv_ufanisi
#98 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2019 8:04:44 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
mv_ufanisi wrote:


Given a 1M KES capital, you could invest that in the NSE and if you're very lucky (like the Sportpesa jackpot guys) you could do a 100% return in a year. An entrepreneur could take that 1M KES and turn it into 100M KES worth by creating a business that addresses an important need in society while employing people, paying taxes, gaining a lot of real knowledge about how to run a business and creating new capabilities in the country.

Because of the stage where we are as a country, the opportunities for entrepreneurs are myriad and that promises to be where the new wealth will be created.



1. What is the success rate of new businesses?
2. It is obvious that you do not understand the meaning of a stock. A stock is part ownership in a business. Therefore, if you buy shares, you are indeed addressing an important need in society through business ownership, employing people and paying taxes. Stop thinking of stocks as pieces of paper or numbers on a screen.


1. What is the success rate of new businesses?
How much money has been lost in the NSE with nothing to show for it? Well for the period April to September 2018, NSE lost investors 568bn according to this Business Daily Article NSE sheds Sh568bn investor wealth in 5 months

Imagine, if this money had been put into starting/funding new businesses! We need a mindset change to direct more money into start ups so we can really start moving ahead as an economy.

2.It is obvious that you do not understand the meaning of a stock. A stock is part ownership in a business. Therefore, if you buy shares, you are indeed addressing an important need in society through business ownership, employing people and paying taxes. Stop thinking of stocks as pieces of paper or numbers on a screen
Unless you are taking on a controlling stake in an NSE company there is not much of a difference you are making by joining the shareholder list of an NSE company. Try calling Bob Collymore to advise him to ask SCOM to improve customer service because you own 100,000 SCOM stock and see how far you get. Are there any new people that will be hired at SCOM because you have bought 100k of SCOM stock?

There is a big difference between buying some stock on the NSE compared to using the money to start a new business or fund a start up. The difference is your ability to influence and use your intellect to direct how the start up will perform versus your hands being tied in the big NSE company that you can't really influence. It's the difference between being a spectator versus being in the ring.
rwitre
#99 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2019 9:43:53 PM
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Location: Nairobi
mv_ufanisi wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
mv_ufanisi wrote:


Given a 1M KES capital, you could invest that in the NSE and if you're very lucky (like the Sportpesa jackpot guys) you could do a 100% return in a year. An entrepreneur could take that 1M KES and turn it into 100M KES worth by creating a business that addresses an important need in society while employing people, paying taxes, gaining a lot of real knowledge about how to run a business and creating new capabilities in the country.

Because of the stage where we are as a country, the opportunities for entrepreneurs are myriad and that promises to be where the new wealth will be created.



1. What is the success rate of new businesses?
2. It is obvious that you do not understand the meaning of a stock. A stock is part ownership in a business. Therefore, if you buy shares, you are indeed addressing an important need in society through business ownership, employing people and paying taxes. Stop thinking of stocks as pieces of paper or numbers on a screen.


1. What is the success rate of new businesses?
How much money has been lost in the NSE with nothing to show for it? Well for the period April to September 2018, NSE lost investors 568bn according to this Business Daily Article NSE sheds Sh568bn investor wealth in 5 months

Imagine, if this money had been put into starting/funding new businesses! We need a mindset change to direct more money into start ups so we can really start moving ahead as an economy.

2.It is obvious that you do not understand the meaning of a stock. A stock is part ownership in a business. Therefore, if you buy shares, you are indeed addressing an important need in society through business ownership, employing people and paying taxes. Stop thinking of stocks as pieces of paper or numbers on a screen
Unless you are taking on a controlling stake in an NSE company there is not much of a difference you are making by joining the shareholder list of an NSE company. Try calling Bob Collymore to advise him to ask SCOM to improve customer service because you own 100,000 SCOM stock and see how far you get. Are there any new people that will be hired at SCOM because you have bought 100k of SCOM stock?

There is a big difference between buying some stock on the NSE compared to using the money to start a new business or fund a start up. The difference is your ability to influence and use your intellect to direct how the start up will perform versus your hands being tied in the big NSE company that you can't really influence. It's the difference between being a spectator versus being in the ring.



Let me help you out with your skewed view:

Link 1
Quote:
about 75% of startup companies make it past the first year, less than half of these companies make it past the two-year mark.


Link 2
Quote:
Out of around fifty Tech Start-ups that go through M-Labs, only five to ten make it past one year.


Start ups collapse left right and centre. One needs good entrepreneurial skills to survive and thrive. That can't be compared to paper losses in the NSE . IN fact, the NSE investor waits for those startups to grow and reach IPO stage before buying stake in them.
kenyan2019
#100 Posted : Saturday, January 05, 2019 8:51:58 AM
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Joined: 12/30/2018
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hardwood wrote:
kenyan2019 wrote:
Easier said than done----->According to a survey released Monday this week by the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics (KNBS), approximately 400,000 micro, small and medium enterprises (MSMEs) did not get to celebrate their second anniversary in the last five years raising concern over sustainability of this critical sector.

https://www.standardmedi...smes-are-dying-annually


So how many businesses have survived? Statistics need to be complete to make sense. Thus they also need to tell us how many businesses were started and how many are surviving. May be over 1 million were started and only 400k collapsed. We need more info.

.

Did you open the Link? ----->“A total of 2.2 million MSMEs were closed in the last five years, 2016 inclusive,” read the report in part which found that a significant 46 per cent of the MSMEs surveyed died in their first year of establishment.
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