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Now Imperial Bank under receivership for 12 months
streetwise
#181 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 5:57:13 PM
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Let me tell you a secret, bank with them with no fear so long as you owe them money.

Your money keep somewhere else where there is no reason to know who owns the bank

Impunity
#182 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 7:16:56 PM
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streetwise wrote:
Let me tell you a secret, bank with them with no fear so long as you owe them money.

Your money keep somewhere else where there is no reason to know who owns the bank



Like where exactly can you stash 20 million hard cash "safely" if not in a bank?
Portfolio: Sold
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mawinder
#183 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 7:37:14 PM
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Impunity wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Let me tell you a secret, bank with them with no fear so long as you owe them money.

Your money keep somewhere else where there is no reason to know who owns the bank



Like where exactly can you stash 20 million hard cash "safely" if not in a bank?

It is much safer in the house than in the bank. This nonsense of banks collapsing or cheating you with statements is bad. You should be able to see your own money. Alternatively the bank should give me a drawer with my own set of keys.
Boris Boyka
#184 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 7:53:35 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Impunity wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Let me tell you a secret, bank with them with no fear so long as you owe them money.

Your money keep somewhere else where there is no reason to know who owns the bank



Like where exactly can you stash 20 million hard cash "safely" if not in a bank?

It is much safer in the house than in the bank. This nonsense of banks collapsing or cheating you with statements is bad. You should be able to see your own money. Alternatively the bank should give me a drawer with my own set of keys.

@Impunity read again bold and understand. He actually meant a good undoubted bank like the one's you mentioned.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
mawinder
#185 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:12:35 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Impunity wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Let me tell you a secret, bank with them with no fear so long as you owe them money.

Your money keep somewhere else where there is no reason to know who owns the bank



Like where exactly can you stash 20 million hard cash "safely" if not in a bank?

It is much safer in the house than in the bank. This nonsense of banks collapsing or cheating you with statements is bad. You should be able to see your own money. Alternatively the bank should give me a drawer with my own set of keys.

@Impunity read again bold and understand. He actually meant a good undoubted bank like the one's you mentioned.

There is none.Read on the Eurozone crisis and in particular Spain and compare with Kenya and Jubilee government
Find out what happened to the so called big banks
whiteowl
#186 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:42:19 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Impunity wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Let me tell you a secret, bank with them with no fear so long as you owe them money.

Your money keep somewhere else where there is no reason to know who owns the bank



Like where exactly can you stash 20 million hard cash "safely" if not in a bank?

It is much safer in the house than in the bank. This nonsense of banks collapsing or cheating you with statements is bad. You should be able to see your own money. Alternatively the bank should give me a drawer with my own set of keys.

@Impunity read again bold and understand. He actually meant a good undoubted bank like the one's you mentioned.

There is none.Read on the Eurozone crisis and in particular Spain and compare with Kenya and Jubilee government
Find out what happened to the so called big banks


When we get to that point holding the local currency is risky
grahamsdisciple
#187 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:18:34 PM
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Ok a proposal. Let's say you're an investor with deep pockets (50m USD+). Would you consider the following proposal.

1. Strike agreement with current shareholders to inject capital through a convertible long term bond (can be considered as tier 1 capital).

2. Agree on a strike price of X times book value at the date of conversion. With eye on converting to majority control.

3. Get guarantees that either current shareholders will guarantee a minimum amount of deposits. Also get guarantees of access to discount window of CBK for x period prior to getting back on all your feet (argue that its for the better good of the banking system).

4. If you have that kind of cash you can convince your fellow rich people to deposit agreed amounts in the bank;

5. Commence aggressive legal proceedings for recovery of debt including freezing all previous MD's assets and company assets;

6. The money from step-5 should ideally cover 50% of the provisions you have made;

7. You will have obtained a banking license and 40+ branches etc for an amount that is likely to consist of only your current investment in convertible bonds.


*Requires extensive due diligence to ascertain that the pledged assets currently held as collateral are realisable.


The rationale is that in financial crises, players tend to overreact. So everyone thinks that Imperial Bank is beyond repair but it can be resuscitated.
sl8r
#188 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 11:08:49 AM
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grahamsdisciple wrote:
Ok a proposal. Let's say you're an investor with deep pockets (50m USD+). Would you consider the following proposal.

1. Strike agreement with current shareholders to inject capital through a convertible long term bond (can be considered as tier 1 capital).

2. Agree on a strike price of X times book value at the date of conversion. With eye on converting to majority control.

3. Get guarantees that either current shareholders will guarantee a minimum amount of deposits. Also get guarantees of access to discount window of CBK for x period prior to getting back on all your feet (argue that its for the better good of the banking system).

4. If you have that kind of cash you can convince your fellow rich people to deposit agreed amounts in the bank;

5. Commence aggressive legal proceedings for recovery of debt including freezing all previous MD's assets and company assets;

6. The money from step-5 should ideally cover 50% of the provisions you have made;

7. You will have obtained a banking license and 40+ branches etc for an amount that is likely to consist of only your current investment in convertible bonds.


*Requires extensive due diligence to ascertain that the pledged assets currently held as collateral are realisable.


The rationale is that in financial crises, players tend to overreact. So everyone thinks that Imperial Bank is beyond repair but it can be resuscitated.


Its a solid proposal, but if I was a rich friend, I would be very weary about putting in my cash in such a deal especially in an economic environment where cash is king
Mainat
#189 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 2:24:58 PM
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So what is CBK going to do about Fida, StanChart et al who run the deposit accounts for the thieves?
Which of the other banks are audited by PKF?
Sehemu ndio nyumba
whiteowl
#190 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:50:32 PM
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Mainat wrote:
So what is CBK going to do about Fida, StanChart et al who run the deposit accounts for the thieves?
Which of the other banks are audited by PKF?


All options are on the table for the Opus Dei man.And also about the walking dead saga.I'm starting to wonder how much the former chair siphoned
smitha
#191 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 4:07:10 PM
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Why have no arrests been made? Acting MD has confessed to the theft, he cannot hide behind the fact that he was instructed by the dead MD. That is like a robber saying I was instructed to shoot by my accomplice.

CBK's silence on this is deafening...Apart from the 34bn stolen funds figure and claiming that the bank is "viable", I have not seen any figure on what the capital shortfall is, how much liquidity is available in the bank currently etc etc

Innocent depositors and bondholders are suffering as each minute passes!
smitha
#192 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 4:09:57 PM
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I see Stanchart is also in trouble in the UK market, it's shares are down 10% today and there are rumours that it may have trouble passing UK stress tests next month. Too big to fail? Look at Lehmans....
Impunity
#193 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 4:14:50 PM
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smitha wrote:
I see Stanchart is also in trouble in the UK market, it's shares are down 10% today and there are rumours that it may have trouble passing UK stress tests next month. Too big to fail? Look at Lehmans....


Time to move persosnla accounts to Gaaament backed banks like NBK or what?
Sad
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whiteowl
#194 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 4:35:25 PM
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Impunity wrote:
smitha wrote:
I see Stanchart is also in trouble in the UK market, it's shares are down 10% today and there are rumours that it may have trouble passing UK stress tests next month. Too big to fail? Look at Lehmans....


Time to move persosnla accounts to Gaaament backed banks like NBK or what?
Sad


Whatever you do, don't go to NBK
streetwise
#195 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:08:36 PM
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I can’t believe CBK still intends to open the bank ( Imperial ) at the current state of affairs.

In the first two hours all the money will be gone.

I sincerely think the best option is to sell the bank to another one which has a unspoiled name. This is the only saviour.

dunkang
#196 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:36:15 PM
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streetwise wrote:
I can’t believe CBK still intends to open the bank ( Imperial ) at the current state of affairs.

In the first two hours all the money will be gone.

I sincerely think the best option is to sell the bank to another one which has a unspoiled name. This is the only saviour.


Someone was offered to buy it and responded, "HELL NO!"
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

githundi
#197 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 6:19:05 PM
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smitha wrote:
I see Stanchart is also in trouble in the UK market, it's shares are down 10% today and there are rumours that it may have trouble passing UK stress tests next month. Too big to fail? Look at Lehmans....

Stan chart happens to be the most stable bank in Kenya......
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muganda
#198 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 5:03:24 PM
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Whooah, what a flimsy document for such large amounts of money

Fraud as alleged by above poster in more than a dozen steps:

• #imperialbank – the late Janmohamed was the only executive that sat on the board.
• He was the chief architect to the fraud – and assisted by his senior team, PKF and CBK to hide the irregular borrowing.
• Three companies are at the center of this irregular borrowing (38.5 Billion, including accumulated interest over 13 years)
• Basically, JanMohamed and his crew underreported the bank’s depositor base so that they could hide the irregular loans
• So how did he get away with it for so so long?

• First to his board, he always presented a ‘re-worked’ top 50 borrower list, so the board always thought all was well.
• The top 50 borrower list his CFO shared with CBK was also different from the one the board saw
• This is where CBK comes into the picture; Janmohamed and crew ‘convinced’ them to never go into their core banking system
• So basically, CBK always took what they were told as the whole truth.

• In 2012, a whistle blower singled out WE Tilley as getting irregular transfers from #Imperialbank
• In an email to CBK – the CFO acknowledged WE Tilley as a customer, but said they didn’t have any facility with the bank
• Which was false – WE Tilley at the point had received over 19 billion shillings (and hadn’t paid a single cent back, no paper work)
• CBK took that as the final position and quickly moved on from the Whistle blower, they looked the other side

• The only time the board reprimanded JanMohammed was when he was asked TO STOP lending money to a company called ‘Meta’
• Jade Petroleum is a company #imperialbank has sued for irregularly receiving 1.8 billion (Plus interest) through JanMohammed
• The Jade association is bizzare, the owner used to send Janmohammed a list of expenses to be cleared
• Salon bills, supermarket shopping – plane tickets – shopping for his wife and Janmohammed cleared them through #imperialbank

• Who are these people? What did they have on the late GMD?
• They are associated with a family that used to own the Dolphin group – one of them was jailed in the UK for conning an investor
• A company renovating CBK offices was given a loan through Janmohammed – but it was never reported in the books
• The #imperialbank CFO is on record negotiating for a 6 million bob payout to CBK peeps

• So where has the regulator been all this time? Where is their AUDIT report?
• CBK owns a clearance house – but not one time did they question the transaction and now they say they can’t trace them
• The same chaps involved in Charterhouse are elbows deep in this mess and CBK was mum, the whole time.

• What about the watchdog, the board paid for – PKF? Well, one of their directors also received a 19 million bob irregular loan
• Kesho, receipts. #Imperialbank GMD used to send chits to his finance peeps. These ones relate to WE Tilley #receipts
alma1
#199 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 5:34:23 PM
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@muganda this is a shocking story..

But the story below that is even more shocking. I keep on telling people to keep away from iHub nonsense Venture Capitalists.

Is anyone going to take the sword for Imperial Bank or will they also say it was the dead man who did it?
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#200 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 6:04:32 PM
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Quote:
    • First to his board, he always presented a ‘re-worked’ top 50 borrower list, so the board always thought all was well.
    • The top 50 borrower list his CFO shared with CBK was also different from the one the board saw
    • This is where CBK comes into the picture; Janmohamed and crew ‘convinced’ them to never go into their core banking system
    • So basically, CBK always took what they were told as the whole truth.

    • The only time the board reprimanded JanMohammed was when he was asked TO STOP lending money to a company called ‘Meta’
    Jade Petroleum is a company #imperialbank has sued for irregularly receiving 1.8 billion (Plus interest) through JanMohammed
    • The Jade association is bizzare, the owner used to send Janmohammed a list of expenses to be cleared
    • Salon bills, supermarket shopping – plane tickets – shopping for his wife and Janmohammed cleared them through #imperialbank

    • Who are these people? What did they have on the late GMD?

    • They are associated with a family that used to own the Dolphin group – one of them was jailed in the UK for conning an investor
    • A company renovating CBK offices was given a loan through Janmohammed – but it was never reported in the books
    The #imperialbank CFO is on record negotiating for a 6 million bob payout to CBK peeps




This stinks hard. Corruption has taken root to the core of the society. These under dealings will chock us. Its about time all banks are audited. @muganda who is PKF? Am lost!
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