Funny that those who claim to be believers dont know their texts

Ephesians 6:18 18 praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

Revelation 8:3-4



3 Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne. 4 The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand.
God's people/saints are believers. See earlier post

James 5:16

16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

No problem with praying for each other. But praying to/thru the dead???

On "No Contact with the dead"

Matthew 17:3-4

3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."…

and they prayed to/through Elijah and Moses??


On Mary being Blessed

Luke 1:41-45

41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”

No problem with that. Mary was indeed blessed. But praying through Mary? It's recorded in Acts that Mary prayed with the apostles. The apostles didn't pray through her!

Acts 1

It would seem faith is just not enough to fill the missing gaps. I think it would be safe to predict that in another 50 years, the influence of religion will have diminished significantly. Note this is different from the rise of atheism.

According to eye witnesses, the women were dressed in vestments similar to those of the nuns walked into the hostels pretending to be part of a delegation that was in search of accommodation at the university. "But other nuns working in the institution became suspicious and told them off. They then handed them over to security officers who ordered them out," said Nyeri OCPD Charles Rotich However, as they walked out, they managed to pick the bags as if they had walked in with them. "But they were arrested by the police and are still in custody pending further investigations," Father George Mutahi of the Nyeri Diocese told the Standard on Sunday

On the same night, a saloon car also went missing at Gikondi Catholic Church as the pilgrims observed their vigil.

Sunday, traders expressed their disappointment, with some revealing they were forced to throw away food or sell it at throwaway prices as there were no customers. Most of the food vendors had pitched tent outside the main celebration centre at Dedan Kimathi University but by nightfall their food containers were still full to the brim

She said she had shopped for merchandise worth more than Sh250,000 from Nairobi, expecting to make a killing, but by the end of the day she had only managed to make a total sale of Sh1,400

I remember meeting one guy outside Eger (Njokerio where I had gone to eat some meat when in college), We used to call him "uncle" and not the "uncle" most egertonians used to go eat meat from. So when we started talking faith matters... he said kanisa yao ina-believe in "continuous" revelation. the same way Paul, John, Peter, James, Luke e.t.c wali"funuliwa" they believe in the same - it was blasphemous for me to hear such things.. hata hiyo nyama sikukula vizuri but as I examined life and history I realized something... who decided that the 66 books make the scriptures? and more importantly... WHY? if the scriptures are an authority we need to ask ourselves ... who wrote and compiled them? it is not sufficient to quote the bible about it's sanctity coz that is spaghetti logic i.e. the bible says

and thus since the bible is scripture we say it's all the above since the bible says it's all the above.... ad infinitum.

I guess the whole disagreement above stems from 2 things,

1) what does the bible say? or even better which bible says what on the subject matter?
2) who says that the bible should be the sole authority on christian spiritual matters? what is the place of church history? catechism e.t.c.? Kama akina paul wali'Funuliwa' who says ufunuo uliishia hapo? who says it must be consistent with what they were told? that was them... sasa je?