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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Yes it is. That has been the unchallenged point from my brother and I all along. In addition to it being a hoax.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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as I understand it... it's not.... it's a rejection of belief as opposed to a belief system. it's a worldview and can be a cultural system but not a belief system. if there was a computing structure that housed worldviews in and in it there was a belief column the column would have a value of NULL, VOID, NOTHING, UNDEFINED in the belief column - all different values from 0 or -values. there are a good number of atheists that go to church and mosques.... they may see religion as a useful thing to society. there are however other antitheists that react in much the same way concentrated sulphuric acid reacts to water when it's added to it - violently and abrasively! to mentions of religion/gods e.t.c All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wazua Cocoon wrote:Muriel wrote:Wazua Cocoon wrote:
This zealot hamburglar has done more to hurt our image than any religion.
He needs to be put in his place!!
Hamburglar has done more to highlight atheists cause. He is the face of atheism in Wazua. Unless atheism, like religion, has denominations and sects. Apart from insulting anyone and everyone who is of a different persuasion from his, what cause can you point to that he has highlighted ? E.g. The folly of believing another human being. I am totally with that.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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masukuma wrote:as I understand it... it's not.... it's a rejection of belief as opposed to a belief system. it's a worldview and can be a cultural system but not a belief system. if there was a computing structure that housed worldviews in and in it there was a belief column the column would have a value of NULL, VOID, NOTHING, UNDEFINED in the belief column - all different values from 0 or -values. there are a good number of atheists that go to church and mosques.... they may see religion as a useful thing to society. there are however other antitheists that react in much the same way concentrated sulphuric acid reacts to water when it's added to it - violently and abrasively! to mentions of religion/gods e.t.c Masukuma, The rejection of a certain belief requires belief that is incompatible with the rejected belief. Belief ni kitu kimoja. It is the details of in what, in who, in when, in how etc that differ.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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masukuma wrote:as I understand it... it's not.... it's a rejection of belief as opposed to a belief system. it's a worldview and can be a cultural system but not a belief system. if there was a computing structure that housed worldviews in and in it there was a belief column the column would have a value of NULL, VOID, NOTHING, UNDEFINED in the belief column - all different values from 0 or -values. there are a good number of atheists that go to church and mosques.... they may see religion as a useful thing to society. there are however other antitheists that react in much the same way concentrated sulphuric acid reacts to water when it's added to it - violently and abrasively! to mentions of religion/gods e.t.c Atheism is a belief system, It takes a lot of faith and belief to believe that there is no deity! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2015 Posts: 682
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Atheist is an unnecessary tag used to easily refer to a group of people who don't believe in a god. This label leads to confusion that atheism is a religion.
The absence of belief is not a religion. No one here believes in Santa. There's no need to tag all of us as "Antisanta," and also it doesn't mean that the Anti Santa is now a religion in itself. You just don't believe in Santa, end of story
As an addition, I feel I have to point out the need for tolerance in society regardless. These religious arguments tend to flame up, but you have to realize there are only 1-2 billion Christians in this world, 1 billion Muslims and a few hundred million Hindus. But we are 7 billion total in this world and we all have to live together. Tolerate the others
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mike Ock wrote:Atheist is an unnecessary tag used to easily refer to a group of people who don't believe in a god. This label leads to confusion that atheism is a religion.
The absence of belief is not a religion. No one here believes in Santa. There's no need to tag all of us as "Antisanta," and also it doesn't mean that the Anti Santa is now a religion in itself. You just don't believe in Santa, end of story
As an addition, I feel I have to point out the need for tolerance in society regardless. These religious arguments tend to flame up, but you have to realize there are only 1-2 billion Christians in this world, 1 billion Muslims and a few hundred million Hindus. But we are 7 billion total in this world and we all have to live together. Tolerate the others You have spoken well, Mr. Ock. But you have made a mistake. You have 'restricted' and modeled belief to a 'god'. And to santa. Now to me 'god' does not make a believer. Belief does. Surely there are somethings you have accepted on account of someone else's word on it. Belief. Believer. They do not have to flame up between adults. What can we not quench? We cannot go wrong with logic and reasoned premises. But we can leave it. No big deal. There are far fewer Christians than the 1-2 billion number. Unless you are counting the subject of this thread and their audience and such. I don't.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Believing or not believing in something is mainly about choosing relationships and ordering experience. But no matter what, one thing is clear, reality must be ordered, and more often than not, we can only see and understand a tiny portion of what we seek to order.
In that measure atheism and theism are the same.
Ordering of 'reality' demands sharing and increasing intensity of relations, hence the religious streak can never be avoided.
'God' is a symbol with a meaning that varies, and it's possible to have a different symbol but with a similar meaning. The clash for and of symbols is a superficial clash.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Believing or not believing in something is mainly about choosing relationships and ordering experience. But no matter what, one thing is clear, reality must be ordered, and more often than not, we can only see and understand a tiny portion of what we seek to order.
In that measure atheism and theism are the same.
Ordering of 'reality' demands sharing and increasing intensity of relations, hence the religious streak can never be avoided.
'God' is a symbol with a meaning that varies, and it's possible to have a different symbol but with a similar meaning. The clash for and of symbols is a superficial clash. Absolutely my brother. With such logic did we quench Hamburglar and showed that atheism is a hoax.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Believing or not believing in something is mainly about choosing relationships and ordering experience. But no matter what, one thing is clear, reality must be ordered, and more often than not, we can only see and understand a tiny portion of what we seek to order.
In that measure atheism and theism are the same.
Ordering of 'reality' demands sharing and increasing intensity of relations, hence the religious streak can never be avoided.
'God' is a symbol with a meaning that varies, and it's possible to have a different symbol but with a similar meaning. The clash for and of symbols is a superficial clash. Absolutely my brother. With such logic did we quench Hamburglar and showed that atheism is a hoax. I see atheism as an 'anticulture' a reaction of experience against commonly held values, and an attempt at pressing of the collective mind towards new forms of belief. That's why @Hamburglar may choose to express himself the way he does. The forces and the conditions involved bring forth the different responses and attitudes we call 'worldviews'. Like shattered glass. The big question is no longer about what x believes or doesn't believe. The big question is how the forces of nature and relations are transforming me and how true I am to these forces. Paradoxically, the best way to answer this question is by way of surrender.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Believing or not believing in something is mainly about choosing relationships and ordering experience. But no matter what, one thing is clear, reality must be ordered, and more often than not, we can only see and understand a tiny portion of what we seek to order.
In that measure atheism and theism are the same.
Ordering of 'reality' demands sharing and increasing intensity of relations, hence the religious streak can never be avoided.
'God' is a symbol with a meaning that varies, and it's possible to have a different symbol but with a similar meaning. The clash for and of symbols is a superficial clash. Absolutely my brother. With such logic did we quench Hamburglar and showed that atheism is a hoax. I see atheism as an 'anticulture' a reaction of experience against commonly held values, and an attempt at pressing of the collective mind towards new forms of belief. That's why @Hamburglar may choose to express himself the way he does. The forces and the conditions involved bring forth the different responses and attitudes we call 'worldviews'. Like shattered glass. The big question is no longer about what x believes or doesn't believe. The big question is how the forces of nature and relations are transforming me and how true I am to these forces. Paradoxically, the best way to answer this question is by way of surrender. Yes. A most violent and exothermic reaction that results into an indiscriminate conflagration of both the good and bad. Shattered glass indeed. Jagged edges. Serrations. Indeed, everyone is surrendered. Everyone is a believer. Everyone is transforming. The forces are unstoppable. Everyone will answer.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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JAMANENI kuweni wapole  "ππ‘KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder ππ " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/14/2012 Posts: 577 Location: Nairobi Kenya
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And then this....  Before I die - i will touch the sky!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Siringi wrote:JAMANENI kuweni wapole  Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Aliπ
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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YoungMulla wrote:And then this.... Pastor anataka kuombea huyu wambui Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/21/2013 Posts: 427
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Wamunyota wrote:YoungMulla wrote:And then this.... Pastor anataka kuombea huyu wambui what the heo?????????
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