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Malaysian aircrash again!!!!!!!!!
harrydre
#91 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 10:20:42 PM
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Wainadi
#92 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 11:31:04 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Watching BBC one lady journalist says "everyone in Netherlands is affected, its a small country so everyone knows at least 1 person or at least knows of someone whose relative was on that plane"
Fact: Netherlands has a population of about 16 million people!
What are the chances of that statement being true?

At the moment BBC is talking all about Russia to the point of gauging Putin's political support. How exactly is this relevant unless this is some sort of conditioning.


I watched cnn last night an armchair analyst was claiming that pro-west Russian will protest, the killing of innocent passengers. This is the reason why American public is one of the most ignorant in the planet.
Its all good.
mkenyan
#93 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:10:39 AM
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Dr. Dre wrote:
An interesting development: Vladmir Putin landed in Moscow an hour ago, back from his South American trip. According to reports, the Russian President's plane flew almost on the same route the Malaysia Airlines plane took. Both planes flew on the same corridor 40 minutes apart from each other. European and Russian media are now asking if the Vladimir Putin's plane was the intended target of this missile strike. Russian and Malaysian colors look alike. And on a plane it is difficult to make any difference from afar.... Who is behind this accident?

so from 30k feet they could tell the signage on the plane? wacheni ujinga!!
maka
#94 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:47:42 AM
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mkenyan wrote:
Dr. Dre wrote:
An interesting development: Vladmir Putin landed in Moscow an hour ago, back from his South American trip. According to reports, the Russian President's plane flew almost on the same route the Malaysia Airlines plane took. Both planes flew on the same corridor 40 minutes apart from each other. European and Russian media are now asking if the Vladimir Putin's plane was the intended target of this missile strike. Russian and Malaysian colors look alike. And on a plane it is difficult to make any difference from afar.... Who is behind this accident?

so from 30k feet they could tell the signage on the plane? wacheni ujinga!!

Was also wondering.
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murchr
#95 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:53:40 AM
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TEN QUESTIONS FOR THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES
1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?

2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes?

3. Why are the Ukrainian authorities not doing anything to set up an international commission? When will such a commission begin its work?

4. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?

5. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?

6. Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?

7. Why was airspace over the warzone not closed for civilian flights, especially since the area was not entirely covered by radar navigation systems?

8. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?

9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?

10. What lessons has Ukraine learned from a similar incident in 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 crashed into the Black Sea? Back then, the Ukrainian authorities denied any involvement on the part of Ukraine’s Armed Forces until irrefutable evidence proved official Kiev to be guilty.


http://rt.com/news/17397...crash-questions-ukraine/
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ecstacy
#96 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:36:56 AM
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It is confirmed 'we' lost two partners on that flight. It is really, really sad.
guru267
#97 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 10:23:34 AM
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From the comments here i can now see why people are doubting Al Shabaab is in Lamu Laughing out loudly

why would any sane person doubt this was the work of pro Russian rebels?? As in???
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Impunity
#98 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 1:45:24 PM
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maka wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
Dr. Dre wrote:
An interesting development: Vladmir Putin landed in Moscow an hour ago, back from his South American trip. According to reports, the Russian President's plane flew almost on the same route the Malaysia Airlines plane took. Both planes flew on the same corridor 40 minutes apart from each other. European and Russian media are now asking if the Vladimir Putin's plane was the intended target of this missile strike. Russian and Malaysian colors look alike. And on a plane it is difficult to make any difference from afar.... Who is behind this accident?

so from 30k feet they could tell the signage on the plane? wacheni ujinga!!

Was also wondering.


Its possible using goggles aka telescope, kuweni na some basic engineering skills.
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ecstacy
#99 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:13:26 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
Posting without a wider assessment of facts is evident from quite a few here.

Other than this area being under the firm control of the pro-Russian forces the following is compelling not speculative:

1. The leader of the pro-Russian separatist movement on his Russian version of twitter boasted about his troops having brought down "another [Ukrainian] bird" just to immediately pull it down when they realised it was a passenger jet. Lucky enough, screen shots were taken by readers for posterity and investigative purposes.

Igor Strelkov – also known as Igor Girkin – the leader of the pro-Russian separatists fighting the Ukrainian government forces for control of eastern Ukraine, used his page on the social networking site Vkontakte to boast that his men had just shot down an aircraft. In a message posted at 2.50 p.m. BST, he wrote: “In the district of Torez an An-26 was just shot down. It crashed somewhere near the Progress mine.

“We warned them not to fly in ‘our skies.’ Here is video confirmation of the latest ‘fallen bird.’ The bird landed outside the residential zone, no peaceful civilians were injured.”

His post was accompanied by a video of a plume of black smoke rising from the ground, one of several videos that were posted online within two hours of MH17 going missing. It quickly became clear that an aircraft had indeed come down near the village of Grabovo in the Torez area, 25 miles from the Russian border, but the wreckage bore the distinctive white, red and blue livery of Malaysian Airlines.


2. The Ukrainian intelligence forces intercepted comms between two senior pro-Russian separatist movement leaders and played it for global media to make their own assessment. The chaps talking quite clearly about their men taking down this passenger jet.

3. Multiple and independent reports and pictures of SAM Russian missiles in the area in recent days.

4. 2 Ukrainian planes shot down in recent days at 5KM altitude.

What else do you want?

The above against speculation that:

1. Ukraine wanted to shoot down "Putin's" plane and risk all out war with a major global nuclear power so as "to get attention" and "the world behind them"..

Sometimes for some even if the truth stood right infront of them, they would deny it.



The circumstantial evidence above is being presented at the UN by the US & UK ambassadors as we speak, with calls for a full, inclusive and unfettered investigation.


The Ukranian counter intelligence unit in an ongoing press conference have provided dated graphic evidence of BUK missile vehicle with 4 missiles and later in the day with within the same timespan for the incident, the same BUK vehicle with only 3 missiles..
ecstacy
#100 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:15:03 PM
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guru267 wrote:
From the comments here i can now see why people are doubting Al Shabaab is in Lamu Laughing out loudly

why would any sane person doubt this was the work of pro Russian rebels?? As in???


Exactly. This one is night and day but still people defending the indefensible.
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