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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Yes, I am a renegade. I was born a slave, into a prison. MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage...... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. I escaped. Who says non-sense is bad? And why and how? If sense can be deceived by illusions is not sense then bad? As far as I can tell, non-sense is is not afflicted by the plagues of sense. Do you hope, or intend to make me understand your thoughts? Can you?
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:
What is it you don't agree with?
"the world we see is not real. It is a hologram, an illusion, projected by a 'master programmer.' Our senses cheat us that it is real." Who is the "master programmer"? How can science, our senses, cheat? Your senses cheat you all the time. Haven't you ever been scared by a shadow? Or hailed someone you thought you knew only to realize you were wrong? As for science....what can I say, it is an incomplete belief system and yes it cheats too. Who is the master programmer? That has been answered too. But perhaps a story will help to reinforce the answer:
REMEMBERING HOW TO FLYYou are in an aeroplane, an overnight flight to somewhere, perhaps in a 747. It is that time, just after dinner service. The lights have been deemed and people are settling down to sleep. Between a second glass of wine and the movie you have selected, you doze off. And you have a strange dream, a nightmare.
You dream that you are the pilot. You are carrying many passengers. You have a vague idea where you are going. But something has happened. You have forgotten how to fly. You know you used to know how to fly a plane; in fact the knowledge is somewhere just under the surface. But somehow you can’t get to it.
Suddenly the plane begins to lose height. You are scared. But this is a dream, right? So you force yourself to wake up. Only to realise that it was not a dream. You are in the pilot’s seat. There is no co-pilot, except a voice that is yelling at you: “Wake up! You must remember!”
The plane is now in a steep dive, minutes to crashing. Behind you the passengers are screaming in fear and confusion. There is only one way to save yourself, the plane and the passengers. You must remember how to fly."The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Yes, senses indeed can cheat. Check.
And science too. Check.
Who is the voice yelling at me to wake up and to remember?
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Yes, I am a renegade. I was born a slave, into a prison. MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage...... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. I escaped. Who says non-sense is bad? And why and how? If sense can be deceived by illusions is not sense then bad? As far as I can tell, non-sense is is not afflicted by the plagues of sense. Do you hope, or intend to make me understand your thoughts? Can you? Can I what?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Yes, senses indeed can cheat. Check.
And science too. Check.
Who is the voice yelling at me to wake up and to remember? Your inner voice. It used to whisper, if you recall, but it has gotten quite loud of late. I would listen to it if I were you. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Just passing by to say hi.Hope you are all well If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:Just passing by to say hi.Hope you are all well Hi Swenani. Thanks for passing by. When are we going to discuss the Metaphysics of fish eating? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Then go right ahead. Look, Swenani is waving. Wave back.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Yes, senses indeed can cheat. Check.
And science too. Check.
Who is the voice yelling at me to wake up and to remember? Your inner voice. It used to whisper, if you recall, but it has gotten quite loud of late. I would listen to it if I were you. Why would my voice speak to me in whispers? Is it hiding something?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Swenani wrote:Just passing by to say hi.Hope you are all well Hello there Swenani.
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Was there another matrix,another pill or antidote?It wasn't in the movie.Just a thought.About sense and what to rely on,I think that's the same question I asked Wakanyugi. How do you know there was not another matrix? What I know is that we were not shown if there was another matrix in the movie. There could have been one. Perhaps then, brother Wakanyugi can shed more light on this? Wakanyugi, yoohoo, you have swallowed the pill? Tell us what this is. I think the third Matrix movie implies that indeed there was another matrix, when it says that Zion has been destroyed many times and recreated each time. I understood this to mean that everything we do is ultimately '...all vanity and striving after the wind.' 'Swallowing the pill' is Hollywood's, over dramatized, way of telling us to wake up. So, have I woken up? Hardly. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Was there another matrix,another pill or antidote?It wasn't in the movie.Just a thought.About sense and what to rely on,I think that's the same question I asked Wakanyugi. How do you know there was not another matrix? What I know is that we were not shown if there was another matrix in the movie. There could have been one. Perhaps then, brother Wakanyugi can shed more light on this? Wakanyugi, yoohoo, you have swallowed the pill? Tell us what this is. I think the third Matrix movie implies that indeed there was another matrix, when it says that Zion has been destroyed many times and recreated each time. I understood this to mean that everything we do is ultimately '...all vanity and striving after the wind.' 'Swallowing the pill' is Hollywood's, over dramatized, way of telling us to wake up. So, have I woken up? Hardly. Hhhmmm Why do you feel you have hardly woken up?
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Yes, senses indeed can cheat. Check.
And science too. Check.
Who is the voice yelling at me to wake up and to remember? Your inner voice. It used to whisper, if you recall, but it has gotten quite loud of late. I would listen to it if I were you. Why would my voice speak to me in whispers? Is it hiding something? How would I know? Ask it/him/her. In fact you can give your inner voice/God, or whatever you wish to call it, clear orders like I do. I sometimes say 'God listen, if you want me to do something, you have to speak up and repeat it several times coz you know I am half deaf and not very bright'. It works for me. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Wakanyugi wrote:Swenani wrote:Just passing by to say hi.Hope you are all well Hi Swenani. Thanks for passing by. When are we going to discuss the Metaphysics of fish eating? Am trying to organize a practical demonstration with @Bigchick.....I don't like theories If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Was there another matrix,another pill or antidote?It wasn't in the movie.Just a thought.About sense and what to rely on,I think that's the same question I asked Wakanyugi. How do you know there was not another matrix? What I know is that we were not shown if there was another matrix in the movie. There could have been one. Perhaps then, brother Wakanyugi can shed more light on this? Wakanyugi, yoohoo, you have swallowed the pill? Tell us what this is. I think the third Matrix movie implies that indeed there was another matrix, when it says that Zion has been destroyed many times and recreated each time. I understood this to mean that everything we do is ultimately '...all vanity and striving after the wind.' 'Swallowing the pill' is Hollywood's, over dramatized, way of telling us to wake up. So, have I woken up? Hardly. Hhhmmm Why do you feel you have hardly woken up? I would probably not be here trying to learn these things from you...and not doing very well at it. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Ok. So if all is vanity and striving for the wind, do you think there is hope of waking up?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:Just passing by to say hi.Hope you are all well Hello there Swenani. @Muriel, Hope you are well Umenitupa sana If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:Just passing by to say hi.Hope you are all well Hello there Swenani. @Muriel, Hope you are well Umenitupa sana is muriel a socket or fish is fish (socket or plug)?
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