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A letter to Kenyans Abroad - by bikozulu
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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From now Kenyans should not learn and understand their hosts accent and languages just because Wazuans dont like it.!! work to prosper
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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Tokyo wrote:From now Kenyans should not learn and understand their hosts accent and languages just because Wazuans dont like it.!! Let everyone live their life but the kind of condescending attitude Rollout oozes in this forum is hard to tolerate in the virtual republic (or anywhere else). He contradicts himself on his hallowed high horse our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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What you guys dont understand is that this is a cultural issue, it may be true that diasporans in America are more particular about personal hygiene than the rest, because thats how American culture is. Trust me, even amongst the most African of Africans, Nigerian men, I have not as of yet met one who says he cannot and will not use deodorant. If you have a job, you have to maintain personal hygiene, otherwise your co-workers will complain to your boss, you will be pulled aside and given a warning, if you dont abide you will be fired or taken to a dept where you can work by yourself. Americans only care about the bottom line, if your lack of using deodorant makes Becky uneasy, unable to focus and unproductive, trust me you will be axed. Even Indians in America dont have that distinct Indian smell, go figure. The only people who can afford to not have good personal hygiene are plumbers and car mechanics, everyone else has to shape up or ship out! So it has nothing to do with arrogance or Kenyans in US thinking they are superior, its the culture! And like someone correctly pointed out, the Americans you encounter in Kenya are the wealthier ones and they are on holiday, they have all the time to listen and try to figure things out, they are there for an African experience. But the American in the US is a completely different person, he is usually overworked, stressed and always in a rush, he has no time to figure out if you're talking about a hat, a heart, a hut or being hurt. He is quickly annoyed and his anger is usually stoked by Fox about immigrants stealing all his jobs! So dont think that just coz you've encountered some Americans in Kenya and they understood you, that you somehow have an argument. Lastly the accent is usually acquired subconsciously, one day you realize that you can pronounce things the American way. Granted there are those who try to force the accent trying to be cool, but most people just get tired of being told huh, and what did you say and being corrected on the right way to pronounce stuff, that they eventually pronounce it the American way. Thats why its ludicrous to me that that author is demanding we somehow just switch off the accent at JKIA as if its tap water. Imagine having to consciously remind yourself to pronounce something a certain way, when you speak you dont think of pronounciation you just speak. Even in academic papers, you have to spell things the American way eg they spell civilise as civilize, so thank God for Word, coz alot of us would get docked off for spelling errors. And the villager vs city comparison is spot on, case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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Rollout wrote:kiterunner wrote:Rollout wrote:Excuse me! Drunkard is still my first name and yes my writing is still very bad. You can write the best english but if you can't speak it no one will give you a job, my resume was written by my college career advisor! infact it is only Wazuans who know my English is bad....... Yes being arrogant actually helps.... and yes if you smell like sweats nobody will hire you, not in the West! You claimed you learnt kaleo majuu, so I wondered with such horrible English what did you guys speak at home? By the way speaking with an accent is important in some sectors ie teaching, custome care, waitressing ... but not all. In some jobs (the kind i would be interested in) I can keep my Kenyan accent and not give a care and still have a fulfilling career. So hii nyef nyef ya accent is everything mimi hapana tambua. You have to separate speaking and writing! At home we spoke horrible swahili! Of course there are jobs you don't need to talk to anyone but every meaningful job has some aspect of customer care.... even your manager is your customer you need to communicate with him! You remind me of those guys who speak English with some mother-tongue influence, add on an American accent to the shrubs, my goodness, just speak the horrible swahili or kalenjin that you learned huko majuu all together.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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Nabwire wrote:What you guys dont understand is that this is a cultural issue, it may be true that diasporans in America are more particular about personal hygiene than the rest, because thats how American culture is. Trust me, even amongst the most African of Africans, Nigerian men, I have not as of yet met one who says he cannot and will not use deodorant. If you have a job, you have to maintain personal hygiene, otherwise your co-workers will complain to your boss, you will be pulled aside and given a warning, if you dont abide you will be fired or taken to a dept where you can work by yourself. Americans only care about the bottom line, if your lack of using deodorant makes Becky uneasy, unable to focus and unproductive, trust me you will be axed. Even Indians in America dont have that distinct Indian smell, go figure. The only people who can afford to not have good personal hygiene are plumbers and car mechanics, everyone else has to shape up or ship out! So it has nothing to do with arrogance or Kenyans in US thinking they are superior, its the culture! And like someone correctly pointed out, the Americans you encounter in Kenya are the wealthier ones and they are on holiday, they have all the time to listen and try to figure things out, they are there for an African experience. But the American in the US is a completely different person, he is usually overworked, stressed and always in a rush, he has no time to figure out if you're talking about a hat, a heart, a hut or being hurt. He is quickly annoyed and his anger is usually stoked by Fox about immigrants stealing all his jobs! So dont think that just coz you've encountered some Americans in Kenya and they understood you, that you somehow have an argument. Lastly the accent is usually acquired subconsciously, one day you realize that you can pronounce things the American way. Granted there are those who try to force the accent trying to be cool, but most people just get tired of being told huh, and what did you say and being corrected on the right way to pronounce stuff, that they eventually pronounce it the American way. Thats why its ludicrous to me that that author is demanding we somehow just switch off the accent at JKIA as if its tap water. Imagine having to consciously remind yourself to pronounce something a certain way, when you speak you dont think of pronounciation you just speak. Even in academic papers, you have to spell things the American way eg they spell civilise as civilize, so thank God for Word, coz alot of us would get docked off for spelling errors. And the villager vs city comparison is spot on, case of the pot calling the kettle black. Stereotype, am sure enough Wazuans deal with Americans of all levels on a daily basis whether in Kenya or wherever and they are not on holiday, this is the kind of thinking that pisses the Kenyans in Kenya, because you are assuming no Americans, do business in Kenya? or are you assuming the Kenyans who live in Kenya and visit America have not encountered Americans who speak proper English, forget about the slang and wengs in the harlems.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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This is the point where I give up, wacha nikajipatie sshughli!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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I am normally not offended by accents... they are a survival mechanism. What I am pissed off by is 1. forgetting to speak your mother tongue or swahili 2. picking up an accent as soon as you go through a successful visa interview All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Nabwire wrote:This is the point where I give up, wacha nikajipatie sshughli! Give up but dont forget kutuma pesa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Muriel wrote:Nabwire wrote:This is the point where I give up, wacha nikajipatie sshughli! Give up but dont forget kutuma pesa.  western union. The girl has valid points si kama jamaa flani
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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I have a cousin who has lived in US since 1990. Everytime he comes 'home', he always speaks proper in mothertongue and never in 'American' accent. So I guess it depends on how fast some Kenyans get 'Americanized'.
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