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NMG debuts in Ugandan Bourse Tue Oct 19th
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Now investors in Uganda bourse have a choice between New Vision & NMG. http://www.businessdaily...6/-/3j39j3/-/index.html
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,212 Location: Nairobi
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@young - They may have a choice but the retail investors hardly invest (compared to Kenyans) Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:@young - They may have a choice but the retail investors hardly invest (compared to Kenyans) I dont know what Kenyan firms stand to gain by cross listing... everyone still comes to the NSE when they want their shares.... I mean the currency gains i've made by changing my UGX to KES is just compounding my gains on the NSE.... Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,212 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@young - They may have a choice but the retail investors hardly invest (compared to Kenyans) I dont know what Kenyan firms stand to gain by cross listing... everyone still comes to the NSE when they want their shares.... I mean the currency gains i've made by changing my UGX to KES is just compounding my gains on the NSE.... The UGX has dived vs US$ & KES... I have shares which have done well in UGX but convert to KES... A waste of time! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:guru267 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@young - They may have a choice but the retail investors hardly invest (compared to Kenyans) I dont know what Kenyan firms stand to gain by cross listing... everyone still comes to the NSE when they want their shares.... I mean the currency gains i've made by changing my UGX to KES is just compounding my gains on the NSE.... The UGX has dived vs US$ & KES... I have shares which have done well in UGX but convert to KES... A waste of time! @VVS until uganda capitalises on its assets the KES is on an upward trend against the UGX... so buying NMG in Uganda makes no logical sense... Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,048 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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Guru / VVS, Had it been there is a way of arguing this one-on-one via e-mail,to avoid unnecessary writing of arguementative posts, I would have done that . Both of you are not looking at the big picture of what Kenya firms are looking at in Uganda and other East African region, I believe many firms cannot be all wrong to cross list, not to talk of opening business in Uganda and other regions. They are aware of the weak UGX, so why is Nakumatt and many others opening shop there ? What business does Game and Shopriteof south Africa has in Uganda ? Why are foreigners trouping there?. They are seing what most of us are not seing. For a typical average Ugandan which was the subject matter that cannot access NSE, if he buys shares in UG bourse, gets dividend in UGX, he /she does not have much to do with KES . When the chips are down, the stock market responds positively to inflation. Best Regards. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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young wrote:Guru / VVS,
Had it been there is a way of arguing this one-on-one via e-mail,to avoid unnecessary writing of arguementative posts, I would have done that . Both of you are not looking at the big picture of what Kenya firms are looking at in Uganda and other East African region, I believe many firms cannot be all wrong to cross list, not to talk of opening business in Uganda and other regions. They are aware of the weak UGX, so why is Nakumatt and many others opening shop there ? Why are foreigners trouping there. They are seing what most of us are not seing. For a typical average Ugandan than cannot access NSE, if he buys shares in UG bourse, gets dividend in UGX, he /she does not have much to do with KES.
Best Regards. @young i'm a ugandan and i know for a fact as long as you have access to a broker in uganda then you have access to the NSE... even though ugandans have no reason to invest on the NSE there is a perfect oppurtunity for currency gains and no capital gains tax so I still do not see why one would buy a crosslisted company on the USE Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,048 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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Stock market and cross listing principles,market behavior vis-a-vis inflation vs currency value is universal. It does not respect nationalities. National Economies conforms to this universal princplesPeriod. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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VituVingiSana wrote:guru267 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@young - They may have a choice but the retail investors hardly invest (compared to Kenyans) I dont know what Kenyan firms stand to gain by cross listing... everyone still comes to the NSE when they want their shares.... I mean the currency gains i've made by changing my UGX to KES is just compounding my gains on the NSE.... The UGX has dived vs US$ & KES... I have shares which have done well in UGX but convert to KES... A waste of time! Use the dividends to buy more UG shares. A number are still trading at a bargain.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,048 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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Worldwide it is a known fact that cross listed stock prices are always at close par in the respective countries they are listed. I had to check that of NSE/USE with respect to KES/UGX at the current exchange rate, Note 1 KES = 28 UGX (this was 24/25 in Dec 2009) Here are the Friday 15th Oct closing prices I picked a few samples of Kenyan cross listed stocks. COUNTER USE(UGX) NSE(KSH) KSH eqv in USE KCB 640 22.75 22.85 EABL 5,453 196.00 194.00 For clarity reasons :- (1) KCB Price in USE = 640 UGX KCB Price in NSE = 22.75 KSH KSH equivalent of 640 UGX = 22.85 (2) EABL Price in USE = 5,453 UGX EABL Price in NSE = 196.00 KSH KSH equivalent of 5,453 UGX = 194.75 As expected there is a close relationship between the price in Nairobi and KES equivalent price in UGX quoted prices in Uganda bourse irrespective of the depreciating UGX. Therefore uganda based retail invester is on track to buy NSE listed stock in their local bourse irrespective of the depreciating UGX against KES, as this is taken care of in the pricing of the stock in the local bourse. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,212 Location: Nairobi
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@young 1) I am Kenyan so I will not invest in Kenyan shares in Uganda. 2) I was just describing my losses in Uganda due to the currency falling off a cliff. 3) The UGX might depreciate even further as museveni feels only he is qualified to run the country. Africa's curse. The african big idiot. Peers include mugabe, mubarak, wade, etc Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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young wrote: Therefore uganda based retail invester is on track to buy NSE listed stock in their local bourse irrespective of the depreciating UGX against KES, as this is taken care of in the pricing of the stock in the local bourse. @young if a ugandan retail investor puts his money into KCB on the NSE and the ugandan shilling depreciates to 35 in five years who benefits more the ugandan on the NSE or the ugandan on the USE both in KCB... Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,048 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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Nation Media Group cross-listing set for next week FROM DAILY MONITOR Posted Friday, October 15 2010 at 00:00 Nation Media Group will on Tuesday, October 19 list its shares at the Uganda Securities Exchange at 10am on the floor of the exchange. This follows approvals by the Uganda Capital Markets Authority and The Uganda Securities Exchange (USE). The shareholders of the company at the Annual General Meeting held on May 19, passed a special resolution to offer the company shares to investors across East Africa through the cross-listing of the company‘s shares on the USE, the Dar es Salaam Stock Exchange and the Rwanda Over The Counter Market. This effectively paved the way for the cross-listing of NMG shares after permission was granted by the USE to admit 157,118,572 issued ordinary shares of KShs.2.50 each of the Company to the Official List of the USE under the abbreviation “NMG.” Related Stories NMG to cross-list in Uganda on October 19 Effective listing It is expected that listing will become effective and that dealings in the ordinary shares of the company on the USE will commence after the listing on October 19, 2010. The ordinary shares of the Company have a nominal or par value of KShs 2.50 each and rank equally with the right to participate in all future dividends to be declared and paid on the ordinary share capital of the Company. NMG has been listed on the Nairobi Stock Exchange since 1973 and has a rich tradition of profitability and growth. NMG shares will also be cross-listed in Rwanda on November 2 2010 and in Tanzania shortly thereafter. This cross-listing of the company’s shares on the USE seeks to: enhance the profile of the firm in Uganda; enable Ugandan investors to share in NMG’s vision as shareholders; recognise the emergence of capital markets growth in Uganda as evidenced by the number of cross-listings and other growth parameters at the USE; and foster the ideals of the EAC Common Market.
Grow diversity “The cross listing is intended to not only communicate NMG sheer business size and intentions for the East African Community but also grow the level and diversity of owners who will now be able to buy into the company’s vision of Media of Africa for Africa,” Mr Linus Gitahi the NMG chief executive officer, said recently.Linus Gitahi,said recently. Mr. Wilfred Kiboro, NMG Chairman says of the cross listing, “the Board is confident of the future of the Group’s performance and has continued to increase the shareholders value of the Company and while focusing on its core business activities, continues to explore within the region, for other possible business opportunities”. Providing transaction advisory is the African Alliance Uganda Limited, acting as both the Lead Transaction Advisor as well as Sponsoring Broker for the listing. Sebalu & Lule Advocates and Iseme, Kamau and Maema Advocates act as legal advisors in Uganda and Kenya respectively for the Company on this The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,212 Location: Nairobi
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@young - It is politics. museveni thinks no-one is better than him to lead Uganda... [Of course, that includes stealing from poor Ugandans. The bastard used a government plane to fly his daughter to Germany to deliver a baby] NMG's properties were raided & licenses withdrawn when Nation ran stories that exposed misdeeds/corrupt dealings. So the idea is to go public in Uganda so there is less political pressure during the elections... There is very little business logic for business sake... It is about politics & the need for museveni to be massaged... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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young wrote:Worldwide it is a known fact that cross listed stock prices are always at close par in the respective countries they are listed.
I had to check that of NSE/USE with respect to KES/UGX at the current exchange rate,
Note 1 KES = 28 UGX (this was 24/25 in Dec 2009)
Here are the Friday 15th Oct closing prices I picked a few samples of Kenyan cross listed stocks.
COUNTER USE(UGX) NSE(KSH) KSH eqv in USE KCB 640 22.75 22.85 EABL 5,453 196.00 194.00
For clarity reasons :- (1) KCB Price in USE = 640 UGX KCB Price in NSE = 22.75 KSH
KSH equivalent of 640 UGX = 22.85
(2) EABL Price in USE = 5,453 UGX EABL Price in NSE = 196.00 KSH
KSH equivalent of 5,453 UGX = 194.75
As expected there is a close relationship between the price in Nairobi and KES equivalent price in UGX quoted prices in Uganda bourse irrespective of the depreciating UGX.
Therefore uganda based retail invester is on track to buy NSE listed stock in their local bourse irrespective of the depreciating UGX against KES, as this is taken care of in the pricing of the stock in the local bourse. @Young This is correct. Only difference comes during the bearing and bullish seasons, the Uganda market always lags the Kenyan one. Recation from the Kenyan market is quite fast
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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wednesday will not be a tradind day in kenya because it's mashujaa day. that ids the advantage of cross-listing a counter. other merits include.... (20 marks) African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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Sober wrote:wednesday will not be a tradind day in kenya because it's mashujaa day. that ids the advantage of cross-listing a counter. other merits include.... (20 marks) Uganda Stocks trade on Monday, Tuesday and Thursdays only
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,048 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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@Pkoli, Sharper reaction from the primary market is normal but that evens out within a few days. Simply put there is no single advantage in terms of pricing in buying stock from the market it is primarily listed. It is just a mentality. Cross listed stocks brings it nearear to you at your local currency. IAM GOLD is a canadian ptimary cross listed stock in Botswana & US. I buy it in Africa (Botswana) market in Botswana Pula and this translates exactly to Canadian Dollars or Us dollars equivalent in their respective market irrespective of weakening or appreciation of Botswana Pula aganst major currencies. Ugandan, Tanzanian citizens resident in their respective countries , be aware it gives you less hassles to buy your desired Kenyan company stocks listed in your local bourses using your local brokers, except your desired company is not listed in your local bourse(s) and you loose nothing. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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guru267 wrote:young wrote: Therefore uganda based retail invester is on track to buy NSE listed stock in their local bourse irrespective of the depreciating UGX against KES, as this is taken care of in the pricing of the stock in the local bourse. @young if a ugandan retail investor puts his money into KCB on the NSE and the ugandan shilling depreciates to 35 in five years who benefits more the ugandan on the NSE or the ugandan on the USE both in KCB... @Guru, i think, its better to buy cross listed stocks from the NSE when the shilling has gained enormously, beyond the historical mean. My guess is that in the next few years, the UGX is going to gain enormously against the KES and the $$. Simply because of the diversity of the economy from an agro-based to a commodity, agro and service based economy. Uganda's coffee is improving, and is now sold in tesco and leading supermarkets in the western world(Good African Coffee), Copper mines in Kilembe will be revamped end of 2011,oil mining by tullow kicks off 2011(am ignoring other explorers in the region), the service industry is predicted to contribute close to 30-40% of GDP by 2013. So the argument may stand. For now though, i think for the investor wanting to buy the cross listed stocks, its better they are bought on the USE, because of the anticipated correction in the forex market. Only challenge is that such counters rarely get trading volumes, e.g of all the 5 cross listed stocks only 2 traded during the year, of which, one counter had a single block trade and since then hasn't traded. Hence, most ugandan investors opt for buying them straight from the NSE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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msimon wrote:guru267 wrote:young wrote: Therefore uganda based retail invester is on track to buy NSE listed stock in their local bourse irrespective of the depreciating UGX against KES, as this is taken care of in the pricing of the stock in the local bourse. @young if a ugandan retail investor puts his money into KCB on the NSE and the ugandan shilling depreciates to 35 in five years who benefits more the ugandan on the NSE or the ugandan on the USE both in KCB... @Guru, i think, its better to buy cross listed stocks from the NSE when the shilling has gained enormously, beyond the historical mean. My guess is that in the next few years, the UGX is going to gain enormously against the KES and the $$. Simply because of the diversity of the economy from an agro-based to a commodity, agro and service based economy. Uganda's coffee is improving, and is now sold in tesco and leading supermarkets in the western world(Good African Coffee), Copper mines in Kilembe will be revamped end of 2011,oil mining by tullow kicks off 2011(am ignoring other explorers in the region), the service industry is predicted to contribute close to 30-40% of GDP by 2013. So the argument may stand. For now though, i think for the investor wanting to buy the cross listed stocks, its better they are bought on the USE, because of the anticipated correction in the forex market. Only challenge is that such counters rarely get trading volumes, e.g of all the 5 cross listed stocks only 2 traded during the year, of which, one counter had a single block trade and since then hasn't traded. Hence, most ugandan investors opt for buying them straight from the NSE. msimon are you taking into account the HUGE political risk in Uganda???? Who says the country will benefit from anything you've mentioned??? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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