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Corporate or solo?
Money Whisperer
#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:20:48 AM
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Guys what is better, to trade as an individual or to set up a company and trade as a corporate?
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qw25041985
#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:29:49 AM
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U mean u cn set up a whole co. With all the legal work to trade ??!
All the same i prefer beign solo . That's y i whip arses in this forum .ask @guru .
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youcan'tstopusnow
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:45:57 AM
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qw25041985 wrote:
All the same i prefer beign solo . That's y i whip arses in this forum .ask @guru .

Laughing out loudly
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VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:11:14 AM
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Paul Wanderi Ndungu bys shares in his name... 'Nuff said!
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:19:03 AM
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Unless you are investing as a group of people, i don't see how incorporating a company to trade adds value.
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Gatheuzi
#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:06:03 AM
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Money whisperer,

Have you read the book "Rich Dads' Guide to Investing"? The author advocates for one to set up a business that will then buy assets for you. His main reason for advocating for this is the tax advantage in that you use pre-tax income to invest before you pay the taxes.

The only technicallity is that tax laws may not be the same. If you formed a company whose principle activity is to invest here in Kenya, you will pay taxes on investment gains. On the other hand as an individual Capital gains are tax exempt.

However if you intend to leave the investments behind as an inheritance to your folks, you are better off incorporating a company and transfer the investment role to the guys you hire. If you die there will be a structure in place to undertake the investment philosophy. This is what Centum, trancentury and of course Olympia does.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:30:39 AM
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One - legal hurdle: you CANNOT register a limited company alone! You need at least one other shareholder; after all, the English word "company" implies more than one person.

Get a silent partner, allocate them 1 share, and you retain 9,999

Two - if the shares are going to belong to you 99.99%; why do you want to spend 15k or so registering a company?
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PKoli
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:36:44 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Paul Wanderi Ndungu bys shares in his name... 'Nuff said!


I am sure the Wanderi empire would be so huge if he had invested with other gurus the way Transcentury did
mukiha
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:45:18 AM
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PKoli wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Paul Wanderi Ndungu bys shares in his name... 'Nuff said!


I am sure the Wanderi empire would be so huge if he had invested with other gurus the way Transcentury did

@PKoli; investing with others gives you the advantage of sharing ideas and strategies. @Money Whisperer is considering going it alone but through a 99.99% owned company.

If you are going to do it alone; don't bother registering a company. If you are going to do it with others, you should register a company
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StatMeister
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:51:04 PM
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Disadvantage: as an individual, you can avoid paying taxes (only 5% withholding), but as a company, 30% corporation tax + 30% income tax = total 51%(correct me if am wrong)

Advantage: makes sense if you want to achieve something you cannot achieve alone (e.g. trading, controlling stakes, book building, insider info, et al)
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Chaka
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:10:34 PM
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During IPO's, corporates are offered a larger
chunk of shares to purchase as compared to individuals who have to resort the relatives and friends for help...
sparkly
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:16:08 PM
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@stat if the company is purely in investing at nse the tax effect is same as an individual. No capital gains tax. No further tax after Withholding tax on dividend.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:55:37 PM
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SOLO!
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:52:13 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Money whisperer,

Have you read the book "Rich Dads' Guide to Investing"? The author advocates for one to set up a business that will then buy assets for you. His main reason for advocating for this is the tax advantage in that you use pre-tax income to invest before you pay the taxes.

The only technicallity is that tax laws may not be the same. If you formed a company whose principle activity is to invest here in Kenya, you will pay taxes on investment gains. On the other hand as an individual Capital gains are tax exempt.

However if you intend to leave the investments behind as an inheritance to your folks, you are better off incorporating a company and transfer the investment role to the guys you hire. If you die there will be a structure in place to undertake the investment philosophy. This is what Centum, trancentury and of course Olympia does.


@Gatheuzi...was capital gains tax reintroduced or am I missing something?
Mine@
#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:25:18 PM
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Solo is beta ...unles its to other activities....
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:26:45 PM
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Either...you go with what will satisfy your needs at a particular time, for example, for day to day trading solo but during an IPO as a corporate + solo!
My 2 cents
#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:35:59 PM
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Money Whisperer wrote:
Guys what is better, to trade as an individual or to set up a company and trade as a corporate?

There is no right answer to this question; because it all depends on your objectives.
Money Whisperer
#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:27:42 PM
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Thanks guys. keep the ideas coming. I really appreciate this.
"Money never sleeps"
VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:04:29 PM
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PKoli wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Paul Wanderi Ndungu bys shares in his name... 'Nuff said!


I am sure the Wanderi empire would be so huge if he had invested with other gurus the way Transcentury did
Dude... The jamaa has way more money than many of the TransCentury folks!!! How much do you think he made off Safaricom? And he must have a sweet package from Telkom/Orange...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
qw25041985
#20 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:17:04 PM
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He must hav heard a sweeter package frm Telkom. NOT just sweet .
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