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Kenya Re - Why the sluggishness
whynow
#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:33:41 AM
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Despite good PE and low price, the market is not interested in this stock. Anything which we dont know? Anyone.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:45:40 AM
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I know we don't look forward, but isn't the end of the ceding period in 2011 a concern?
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:47:05 AM
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whynow wrote:
Despite good PE and low price, the market is not interested in this stock. Anything which we dont know? Anyone.

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Does Kenya Re have an MD?

You fire your MD then the following week he gets employed by your rival(Afica Re-Jubilee has a stake)...

Can they survive without the compulsory cessions?

If the referundum goes soar...will Kenya Re survive the Billions in Claims?

What was their PAT in final results 2009? despite posting 43% increase in 3Q PAT....


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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56:36 AM
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This company needs to be fully privatized. The people running it are civil servants who don't care so much about the company and that's why they could casually oust the CEO without any care about the company performance. This is a classic case of company for management not shareholders.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:06:01 PM
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My advice, buy now. Fundamentals (ya, there's that word again) are strong and the price is good. Just needs good PR a good CEO to point it in the right direction and you'll see it <25/-

BBI will solve it
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:13:31 PM
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the deal wrote:
whynow wrote:
Despite good PE and low price, the market is not interested in this stock. Anything which we dont know? Anyone.

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. . .If the referundum goes soar...will Kenya Re survive the Billions in Claims?



@deal, doesn't this apply to all insurers who went into political insurance?
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:36:04 PM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
This company needs to be fully privatized. The people running it are civil servants who don't care so much about the company and that's why they could casually oust the CEO without any care about the company performance. This is a classic case of company for management not shareholders.


I agree with you.A re insurer which is 60% government controlled would be filled with a lot of bureaucrat.The Govt should offload at least 25% more to a strategic investor hence living the public with the controlling majority.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:49:21 PM
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I do not agree that the reason Kenya Re is not doing well is because it is 60% owned by government. There is a lot of professionalism in many organisations where government has more control than Kenya Re; Look at KPLC, KenGen, KRA, CBK;

Kenya Re, to me has not yet got leadder to steer it to great heights. When they do so, the share will be over 20 bob
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:12:22 PM
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The end of the concessions will not have as big an impact as most wazuans are saying. The insurers are currently reinsuring a lot more than is already required by the law, so it is a misconception to assume that the insurers will stop doing business with KRA in 2011
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:26:16 PM
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Fundamentally, this is a buy now stock,, buy now wait till they get some new managemnt or even better for some strategic private investor.

how long you wait? ...i dont know.
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guru267
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:08:58 PM
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2012 wrote:
My advice, buy now. Fundamentals (ya, there's that word again) are strong and the price is good. Just needs good PR a good CEO to point it in the right direction and you'll see it <25/-

@2012 i remember you giving this same advice when it was trading at 12.8 after the terrible results....
Just one question why would one buy kenya re with a p/e of 5 and ignore jubilee with a p/e of 8.5... The management of the two can't be compared and that was the reason for migration...
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:48:44 PM
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@2012, any sideline interests with kenya re? You have consistently supported it.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:22:32 AM
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KenRe gets 'additional' concessionary business coz it is less cumbersome to deal with one firm. After the concession monopoly ends, expect to see others slowly chip away including Africa-Re [I think Jubilee has an interest in it]
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2012
#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:53:42 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Just one question why would one buy kenya re with a p/e of 5 and ignore jubilee with a p/e of 8.5... The management of the two can't be compared and that was the reason for migration...


Jubilee is a great company but I don't see a lot of growth thee in years to come. I think a reinsurance has more potential and less risk. I also think they are starting to make the right decisions especially when they stop reinsuring Russian ships as they are cons.

BBI will solve it
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PKoli
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:28:31 PM
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I think we Kenya Re is still agood buy, but we may have to wait a little longer to see good returns. Currently, the market is waiting to see a new CEO. Somehow this stock suffers from luck of insititutional support (few fund managers buying it). When that changes, you will see a lot of movements in the share volume and price upsurge
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:14:33 PM
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currently the govt has sixty percent stake in kenya re. why wld it shoot itself by kickin out mandatory concessions. ama they have a plan

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#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:44:20 PM
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In the spirit of liberalisation the compulsory cessions were to go. However this was to be done gradually. The first phases went on well until Kenya Re realized that they would close shop for lack of business. The government then moved in to freeze the reduction of cession
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:47:28 PM
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obiero wrote:
currently the govt has sixty percent stake in kenya re. why wld it shoot itself by kickin out mandatory concessions. ama they have a plan


As far as I can remember the government doesn't care much about the firms it invests in. Here are examples of companies where the goverment has a stake yet some decisions taken by the goverment or its agencis are not in the best interest of the firms:

1) Safaricom - despite the government having a good chunck of shares, the CCK bring controversial anti-monopoly rules.
2) KQ - some ground in JKIA (old Embakasi if I recall clearly) give to a private investor yet KQ needed it for parking/servicing of its planes.
3)KCB - you already know of the Triton case.
4) KENGEN - finally tarrifs were adjusted but you already know how long it took.
5) KPLC - At the moment it is not a monopoly but better watch out if they become the controlling shareholders. Those mpigs in the spirit of helping the "mwananchi" may just curtail its profitability.

I can go on and on but the bottom line is when you invest with the goverment, just remember that the goverment's primary motive is not to profit - they will talk of levelling the praying field, helping "wanjiku" etc.
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guru267
#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:22:55 PM
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2012 wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Just one question why would one buy kenya re with a p/e of 5 and ignore jubilee with a p/e of 8.5... The management of the two can't be compared and that was the reason for migration...


Jubilee is a great company but I don't see a lot of growth thee in years to come. I think a reinsurance has more potential and less risk. I also think they are starting to make the right decisions especially when they stop reinsuring Russian ships as they are cons.

@2012 looks like your into this counter heavily even in the fantasy market
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#20 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:28:43 AM
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What sluggishness?
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