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Dividend re-investment plans- I need help
Live Wire
#1 Posted : Friday, July 16, 2010 7:30:59 PM
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d'oh!
I am a Ugandan Investor in the NSE and dont have a Kenya shilling bank account, I keep receiving these dividend cheques of small notes (between 1000 to 4000) but can not cash them anywhere, any advise on how i can re-invest these cheques and how i should communicate to the companies to effect this.
guru267
#2 Posted : Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:21:19 AM
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@live wire i faced exactly the same dilemma and you have only one option... Since your cheques last a minimum of one year i suggest you open a kenyan account and cash in from there.... Otherwise you may have to deal with the ridiculous bank charges charged on foreign cheques....
DRIPS are a company policy and not available to investors on demand
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
young
#3 Posted : Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:00:04 AM
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Always a dilemma in black Africa for people investing outside their country. I assume you live in Kampala.

TRY THESE

(A) I know of kenyan friends that invested in Stabic Uganda IPO, and they cash their UGX denominated dividend checks in Kenya banks.
My thoughts are that if you open a savings account that has the cability to cash dividend checks in any of the "KENYAN BANKS" in Kampala notably

(i) KCB of Kampala
(ii) Equity Bank Of Kampala

that will suffice

First discuss with them your motive, there is a strong likelihood that KSH denominated dividend checks will be accepted for direct conversion to your UGX account.


(B) As an alternative if (A) does not work, try take the advise of Guru267, a fellow Ugandan like you.

MY EXPERIENCE IN KENYA

As a Nigerian (West African) investing in NSE I had no other choice than to open a savings account with a Kenyan Bank. In addition I had to re-validate my past dividends with the registrars Kencom, Image Registrars etc etc.
Secondly on the good advise of my Kenya Stockbroker, I had to fill a special form to give my Kenya Bank account details for EFT (Electronic Fund Transfer) so that my future dividends are directly credited to my bank account.
With that my problem was solved.
Opening a bank account will require your physical presence in Nairobi and a referee who is an account holder in your chosen bank.

POSITIONING FOR USE

From my experience in NSE, I had to first open a bank account with crane Bank, Kampala in preparation towards opening a USE CDSC account in the future so that from inception when I start to invest in USE, my dividends will be credited to my bank account.
I was in Kampala last December , and Crane bank of Ugaanda was kind enough to accord me and my wife this opportunity based on personal recognition and precedence in Kenya.I proved to them that we require a bank account for dividend payment, and I provided my Kenya CDSC statement and transactions in my Kenya account that showed that 95% of the transactions were EFT for dividend. They gave me a waiver to produce a referee (An account holder to identify us).


I am excited to read about you both (Guru267 & Livewire), Ugandans investing in Kenya market.

In future in this forum we will be discussing about
DFCU,
Bank Of Barode
Stanbic Uganda
New Vision Publishing Co.
and emerging Petroleum Producing counters.


Cheers and best Regards
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:59:47 AM
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@young - I like DTBU as well... They understand the 'need' of 'foreigners' better than most local banks! Crane Bank is an exception. They want your business!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
kiriita
#5 Posted : Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:03:17 AM
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guru267 is a Kenyan working in Ug, no?
tkzee
#6 Posted : Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:16:41 AM
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guru267 wrote:
@live wire i faced exactly the same dilemma and you have only one option... Since your cheques last a minimum of one year i suggest you open a kenyan account and cash in from there.... Otherwise you may have to deal with the ridiculous bank charges charged on foreign cheques....
DRIPS are a company policy and not available to investors on demand


I agree DRIPS and direct investment plans are supposed to be a company policy.This is one area our Kenyan companies are lagging especially if they want to source more funds and attract foreigners.Opening bank accounts is an inconvinience given the charges they levy.
''i can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies,but not the madness of people''-Isaac Newton
tkzee
#7 Posted : Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:18:36 AM
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guru267 wrote:
@live wire i faced exactly the same dilemma and you have only one option... Since your cheques last a minimum of one year i suggest you open a kenyan account and cash in from there.... Otherwise you may have to deal with the ridiculous bank charges charged on foreign cheques....
DRIPS are a company policy and not available to investors on demand


I agree DRIPS and direct investment plans are supposed to be a company policy.This is one area our Kenyan companies are lagging especially if they want to source more funds and attract foreigners.Opening bank accounts is an inconvinience
''i can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies,but not the madness of people''-Isaac Newton
guru267
#8 Posted : Saturday, July 17, 2010 7:51:38 PM
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kiriita wrote:
guru267 is a Kenyan working in Ug, no?

My mom is kenyan, my dad ugandan... I was born and raised in kenya but now live in uganda.... I have both a kenyan and ugandan passport.... You decide :-P :-P
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
young
#9 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:18:52 AM
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@Guru,

Have you opened a CDS account in USE ?
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PKoli
#10 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:21:34 AM
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@Mzee Young,

I would like to have your views on the securities that you've listed. Did you manage to open CDS account in Uganda?

Any thoughts about investing in Rwanda? only OTC at the moment.
Gordon Gekko
#11 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:45:50 AM
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@guru, dual citizenship not allowed under the current constitution, that is another reason the blood coursing in my veins is GREEN......
youcan'tstopusnow
#12 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:50:21 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
@guru, dual citizenship not allowed under the current constitution, that is another reason the blood coursing in my veins is GREEN......

Is dual citizenship allowed in Uganja?
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
mBiaLoss
#13 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:09:02 AM
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am kenyan in diaspora, got some dividend checks..took them to several of banks in USA to cash: Citibank, BofA etc but charges were more than the check value! I laughed..been trying to open bank in Kenya since then and some of the checks have expired....Anybody with idea what I should do?
As an investor I behave like a tick, patiently waiting on grass and larch onto the first cow that shows up. As an investor I dont behave like a tick...I jump off the the cow as soon as am fully engorged before it dies...
young
#14 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:31:24 AM
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@mBiaLoss

Keep all your dividend checks, any time you come to Nairobi, go to the various registrars to revalidate them. Some are done faster than others.
Let them know you are in diaspora and request some that are not yet ready should be banked for you.

I held some dividend checks since 2004 but came to Nairobi late 2007 to re-validate and arrange to pay in to my kenyan bank account.
You need to open a kenyan bank first before this.
For future dividends to avoid this inconvinience get in touch with your broker to give you a CDS form that specifies your bank details for EFT (electronic fund transfer) of dividends. That form will be endorsed by your broker and your bank and submited to CDS (by your broker) for onward transmission to the registrars.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
guru267
#15 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:37:14 AM
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mBiaLoss wrote:
am kenyan in diaspora, got some dividend checks..took them to several of banks in USA to cash: Citibank, BofA etc but charges were more than the check value! I laughed..been trying to open bank in Kenya since then and some of the checks have expired....Anybody with idea what I should do?

You have only two options... Deal with the High bank charges and exchange rates rip offs in the US or open a kenya bank account...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#16 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:39:14 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
@guru, dual citizenship not allowed under the current constitution, that is another reason the blood coursing in my veins is GREEN......

Its not allowed even in the ugandan constitution but who ever listens to that nonsense???
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
young
#17 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:52:27 AM
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Mzee PKoli,

I intend to visit Uganda next year to open CDS account as my hands are full this year on real estate (serviced plot) investment.
After Kenya & proposed Uganda, I am done with East africa and even African market, I will rather consolidate in years to come. So Rwanda is out of question.
My interest in Uganda is a product of circumstance all my mind was in Kenya. What happened was we were planning to get a plot to build little vacation home in Nairobi, but the price was just not affordable, that makes us pick Uganda as an alternative.

We stroke a deal with Akright Properties the vendors of Akringht Kakungulu satelite city located 18 KM from Kampala city which is less than half the price of a similar semi serviced plot in Nairobi
To survive in future during vacation stocks investment came to mind. We have already opened a bank account for dividend collection.
These are part of my plans for retirement in the next few years. Young is not getting younger,I will be 49 next year.
We want to avoid Kenya counters as much as possible in USE so the stocks in mind are :-

Stanbic Uganda
DFCU,
New Vision
Bank Of Baroda
Jubilee Insurance (Kenya)
EABL (Kenya

We want dividend yielding stocks.

I still have the African Alliance Uganda brokers contact in mind, but in addition my Bank Crane Bank of Uganda also have Crane Stockbrokers, we will decide on one of them in due course.

Cheers
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
PKoli
#18 Posted : Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:38:02 PM
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@Mzee Young,

I like your determination and focus. I visit Uganda very often and I think it is a beautiful country. I have Stanbibic Ug and will also look at BABU and DFCU. I would like to get further info on Rwandan OTC securities. The other countries I am interested in are Zambia and Ghana. I would be keen with Ethiopia but it looks a fairly closed society.

Apparently African Alliance has an office in Ghana.

Good luck
guru267
#19 Posted : Monday, July 19, 2010 12:37:54 PM
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@young now why did you disclose your age.... Now i feel like so much of a child.. In this place Sad
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
young
#20 Posted : Monday, July 19, 2010 1:19:34 PM
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@Guru and Wazuarians

(i) To re-affirm that young is a screen name but I am an old man in any standard. I stick to young as that is my pet name in my family as 3rd to the last in a family of nine children (same mother)

(ii) For wazua audience to understand my reasoning as there is a direct r/ship between reasoning and age.

(iii) To encourage old ones like me to keep it up
and to tell the young ones (18-39) that they are lucky to get to know about financial intelligence at a young age.

I am naturally a blunt person, and I believe in Africa and her future proosperity.

The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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