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Technical Analysis 101 : NSE - Eliminate Guesswork when trading shares
kebaya
#1 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 4:55:12 PM
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A big thanks to Stocks Guru : He totally understood what i needed Applause Dude you have eliminated alot of work from me!

The below diagram shows exactly what i mean

The default stochastic gave several signals to buy and sell safaricom over 1 year. You can see i have scribbled on the chart when was to buy and sell



On SEPT 2009 - It was a good time to buy and hold till DEC 2009

On Jan 2010 - It was good time to buy WHY? MACD had crossed the 0 Level mark and Stochastics were over the 50% level

FINAL :

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ANALYSIS OF SCOM FOR THE COMING MONTHS

Stochs are pointing to SCOM declining in price.

Grabbing the bull by the horns till am the last trader standing
VituVingiSana
#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:57:26 PM
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You do realize all this is 20/20 in hindsight.

That said, I applaud your call/advise to sell (not buy) safaricom.
I am a fundamental guy & I will not dip into safaricom unless it is 5/- or lower!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
the deal
#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:15:07 PM
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@Vvs scom is currently trading on low volumes compared to when its going up,the forward momentum is much stronger than the pull backs...its just a matter of time before we hit a mini rally...use on balance volume...stochs is garbage.
VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:45:25 PM
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@the deal: IMHO, I am not looking at the technical graph but expected profits for safaricom & future growth (esp data coz safcom dominates retail here)...

So if I were to add 'stagnant' voice + growth in data + huge growth in M-Pesa... I think safcom profits will see a decent growth y-o-y.

Now... I think 5.50 is expensive based on my estimates of profits...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
kizee
#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:34:59 PM
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vvs- the market can stay irrational longer than u can stay liquid...

kebaya u rely too much on oscillators ...i hav not seen single mention of trendlines from u...oscillators only work in a trendin mkt...mkts rarely trend..keeo this thread goin tho...
VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:02:16 PM
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kizee wrote:
vvs- the market can stay irrational longer than u can stay liquid...

kebaya u rely too much on oscillators ...i hav not seen single mention of trendlines from u...oscillators only work in a trendin mkt...mkts rarely trend..keeo this thread goin tho...


Well, since I have not sold short safaricom... I hope I am OK...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mukiha
#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:23:04 AM
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Where do fundamentals fit in all this?

Current and future earnings?

Demand and supply levels?

Etc?

It's rather myopic to analyse price movement in isolation.....
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
kebaya
#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:51:07 AM
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can someone please post an analysis of how volumes relate with price..esp in this case of safaricom...how volumes can indicate when its best to buy or sell SCOM
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Jaguar
#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:26:31 AM
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safaricom price is highly dependent on foreign investors. When they are buying, the price moves up or remains stable. When they aren't buying it dips
kizee
#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:29:33 AM
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how about a simple trend channel...buy at the bottom sell at the top of said channel?
mukiha
#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:35:39 AM
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@kizee: Easier said than done!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Scubidu
#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:38:28 AM
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@mukiha: I second that!
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
sheep
#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:39:22 AM
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The NSE is largely dependent on foreigners due to its strategic positioning as the biggest bourse in E.A and has been one of the best performers in Africa and internationally.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:56:58 AM
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Folks want value... so buy value... and you will be rewarded in time...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sheep
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:04:51 AM
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IMHO it is better to buy stock that has made new highs with a corresponding 50%-100% increase in volumes rather than buying low and waiting as the latter is as test of human patience which most of us are poor in.
Be quick to take losses and slow to take profits,protect your capital by all means.You can suffer repeated losses but they are minor and when you get a right move it more than compensates.
6/10 is all takes to remain in the game.
But there are many factors to also consider before carelessly jumping in.

I am waiting for ridicule from cost averaging heroes and "Gurus" of the stock market Laughing out loudly
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:17:15 AM
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@sheep: Are you in Kenya?

When you say 'minor' losses, the transaction costs are 1.5-2.5% per transaction. So at the minimum, I would lose 3-5% per trade...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sheep
#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:46:20 AM
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yep...I rarely trade for that reason unless I am convinced of +20% gains,around 4 to 5 times a year.I always ignore minor movements and focus on the long trends.I have averaged 17% growth in the last two years after commissions,13% short of my target.I have already made 44% this year,in Jan alone.But my buy and hold investments are still underwater(-33%) so I ain't smiling as yet.I hope to enter into speculation seriously.See you guyz at the top.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
sparkly
#18 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 11:27:51 AM
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I will do some active trading in 2016, starting from next week.
Targeting 20-50% return;
Cut losses after 15%;
Maximum period in a position 1 month;

Will keep you posted.
^Amateur trader
Life is short. Live passionately.
mibbz
#19 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 11:48:57 AM
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Interesting to see the debate on TA with a focus on Safaricom 5 years ago!

@sparkly perhaps you could share some insights on counters you see meeting the criteria. I am caught in between trying out the almost penny stocks for 10-15% gains vs the more established but somehow still sliding/stagnating counters like Britam and KCB
Othelo
#20 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 12:13:45 PM
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mibbz wrote:
Interesting to see the debate on TA with a focus on Safaricom 5 years ago!

@sparkly perhaps you could share some insights on counters you see meeting the criteria. I am caught in between trying out the almost penny stocks for 10-15% gains vs the more established but somehow still sliding/stagnating counters like Britam and KCB

Currently doing this specifically on ADSS. But requires daily following to establish points of exhaustions at both ends. Then also make exit point which you MUST leave regardless to avoid greed.

Maintain your initial capital and dont reinvest gains out of the speculation trades - use this for other serious investments.

Stop loss - 15%.
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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