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Nairobi Stock Exchange - Is Ngenye Kariuki sinking?
popat
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:12:47 PM
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I smell a rat with this broker.I went there three weeks ago and applied for a refund.Up to today ave not received my cheque.I pulled a scene and thats when they confided that the 'Only signatory-Ngenye Kariuki' is no longer signing cheques and his firm is broke.Ive tried to transfer my shares and they say there is a delay coz my account is being audited.What clap.So i called CMA and they said they are investigating.My worry is, am i about to loose my hard earned money?
Jaguar
#2 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 11:15:53 AM
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By Eric Ombok

Feb. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Ngenye Kariuki & Co., a Kenyan brokerage, was placed under statutory management for six months for not complying with market rules, the capital regulator said.

“Ngenye Kariuki has been found not to be in compliance with the legal and regulatory provisions as outlined in the Capital Markets Authority Act for some time,” Stella Kilonzo, chief executive officer of the regulator, said in an e-mailed statement today. The statement didn’t specify Ngenye’s infringement.

In February last year, the authority introduced new rules that included a provision that prevents any individual from owning more than 25 percent of a brokerage. It also tightened up rules to prevent brokers from buying or selling clients’ stocks without their permission.

Ngenye Kariuki becomes the fifth of the East African nation’s 19 brokerages to be placed under the statutory management of the regulator over the past three years.

Calls to the brokerage seeking comment were not answered.

http://www.bloomberg.com...116&sid=aV2x9ND3TjyI
VituVingiSana
#3 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 11:49:27 AM
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Sunk
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poundfoolish
#4 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 12:06:52 PM
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this is a nice place to fnd out of sinking and rising ships..

Now im just wondering if there are retail investors(wanjikus) who had moved from Thuo to Discount and then to Ngenye..they should tell us where next they are planning to move to as their brokerage..Tuepuke!
VituVingiSana
#5 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 12:08:05 PM
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Of the original 6 brokers...

Shah, Munge - collapsed (Shah had already left at that point to work for Kestrel)
Francis Thuo - collapsed
Nyaga - collapsed (Nyaga had left it in Gakiavih's hands)
Ngenye Kariuki - kaput

Dyer & Blair - Survives
Francis Drummond - Survives (barely I believe)

Lesson (tongue in cheek): Keep your money with a broker that sounds Uzungu!!!
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KulaRaha
#6 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 12:08:25 PM
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that one is like the Titanic.......
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Wa_ithaka
#7 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 12:21:43 PM
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I smelt a rat when his son (was the GM or something) took off to the UK last yr for "further studies".
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Agra
#8 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 1:06:25 PM
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It is sorry state of affairs but it was coming after the fall of Nyaga and Discount they were next on line.Now who is next?
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2012
#9 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 1:23:05 PM
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Question.
If a brokerage firm is placed under statutory management, I assume they no longer have access to your CDS account. Can you then access your shares through another broker or how do you access it?

BBI will solve it
:)
BGL
#10 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2010 8:19:35 PM
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In March 2008 six stockbrockers were warned that their licences would not be renewed for failure to comply to basic requirements by the regulator. Rather than mention names better look back to history to see the guys who were in red then although their licences were eventually renewed. http://allafrica.com/stories/200804280130.html of course that was two years ago. Before then Francis Thuo & Nyaga had collapsed with the seat of the former already bought when the bullish run was on cruising mode. We know what happened to Discount securities, today its Ngenye Kariuki who was also on the list. Six minus two equals four. Two others were taken over because of liquidity problems but there are two others where nothing has changed so beware.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:11:26 AM
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I made a point early on of never going to individual run/named stock brockers especially in Kenya. And i would even fear investing in family run businesses safe for Nakumatt and Kiroche Breweries were they in the NSE ... Laughing out loudly
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#12 Posted : Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:34:34 AM
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I guess i better stick with my CFC Stanbic,inspite of their inefficiencies!
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sparkly
#13 Posted : Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:47:05 AM
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@popat, were you sorted out? My advice... With these failing brokers, run at the earliest sign of trouble. Don't wait to be a stat. Safety of your money comes first. You can transfer the shares later.
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Sunday, February 07, 2010 7:18:32 PM
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Well... run baby run...

It's like the banks... I prefer the multinationals for 'safety' but like strong mid-tier for services...

I avoid the likes of City Finance, etc... too small... too scary!
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wasee
#15 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 4:59:53 AM
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unless one has insider information that when u will know a stockbroker is going down. for most of us i think its only prudent that you diversify.
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 7:38:36 AM
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@wasee - Diversify among brokers?
Better to find a solid broker!
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selah
#17 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 9:01:12 AM
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The funny thing is, when you wanted funding for the safaricom shares from KREP bank you had( must) to open a CDS account with Ngenye kariuki.
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VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 9:08:30 AM
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@selah - All banks & brokers had set up 'alliances' during safaricom...

So it all dependent on the bank you went to...
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#19 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 9:23:50 AM
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By the way, Mr. Jimnah is so quiet these days
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#20 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 2:10:05 PM
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I have always preferred banks as far as brokerage is concerned. At least they have a huge capital base and they are used to more rigorous scrutiny.
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