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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m?? Is this a good or bad thing?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It is a bad thing. You cannot have population explosion yet there are no jobs.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? source?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Fullykenyan wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It is a bad thing. You cannot have population explosion yet there are no jobs. what creates "jobs"? I have always thought a young "educated" population is a boon as opposed to a curse. it's a demographic dividend if they are educated and the country is a bit open. it's a ticking time bomb if they are illiterate thug in a society one cannot progress unless they know people. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It is a bad thing. You cannot have population explosion yet there are no jobs. what creates "jobs"? I have always thought a young "educated" population is a boon as opposed to a curse. it's a demographic dividend if they are educated and the country is a bit open. it's a ticking time bomb if they are illiterate thug in a society one cannot progress unless they know people. Anyway, Kenya has never reached optimal employment rates since it began. Countries like China, S.Korea even Germany are having issues regarding their population. In Russia things are hot. Putin is trying to play hard, why? Maybe we've never settled enough to understand population dynamics.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It can be good or bad, depending on how you want to look at it. Good for farmers and companies like Safaricom who are selling needs, bad since there's no industry in this country big enough to swallow the large idle labor, plus with limited resources a large population puts pressure on the existing resources. Seems like the death rate has slowed down "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It can be good or bad, depending on how you want to look at it. Good for farmers and companies like Safaricom who are selling needs, bad since there's no industry in this country big enough to swallow the large idle labor, plus with limited resources a large population puts pressure on the existing resources. Seems like the death rate has slowed down True. A larger % of Kenyans are living longer now than they used to. Interestingly the demographic distribution is also changing. We now have more 10-15yrs olds compared to 5-10yr olds who are in turn more than 0-4 yr olds. First time it is happening in KE in our recorded history. Also me-think we are the first to achieve this in SSA.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It can be good or bad, depending on how you want to look at it. Good for farmers and companies like Safaricom who are selling needs, bad since there's no industry in this country big enough to swallow the large idle labor, plus with limited resources a large population puts pressure on the existing resources. Seems like the death rate has slowed down True. A larger % of Kenyans are living longer now than they used to. Interestingly the demographic distribution is also changing. We now have more 10-15yrs olds compared to 5-10yr olds who are in turn more than 0-4 yr olds.
First time it is happening in KE in our recorded history. Also me-think we are the first to achieve this in SSA. Upcoming youth.....mmmh time bomb. Seems like the panga uzazi campaign bore fruits "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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murchr wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It can be good or bad, depending on how you want to look at it. Good for farmers and companies like Safaricom who are selling needs, bad since there's no industry in this country big enough to swallow the large idle labor, plus with limited resources a large population puts pressure on the existing resources. Seems like the death rate has slowed down True. A larger % of Kenyans are living longer now than they used to. Interestingly the demographic distribution is also changing. We now have more 10-15yrs olds compared to 5-10yr olds who are in turn more than 0-4 yr olds.
First time it is happening in KE in our recorded history. Also me-think we are the first to achieve this in SSA. Upcoming youth.....mmmh time bomb. Seems like the panga uzazi campaign bore fruits I wish we can innovate on a very big cottage industry that can absorb say 60% of the youth. I think we can quadruple our wealth in just one generation. With such, the dependant population would be so small in say next 15 years that we could wipe out poverty!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It can be good or bad, depending on how you want to look at it. Good for farmers and companies like Safaricom who are selling needs, bad since there's no industry in this country big enough to swallow the large idle labor, plus with limited resources a large population puts pressure on the existing resources. Seems like the death rate has slowed down True. A larger % of Kenyans are living longer now than they used to. Interestingly the demographic distribution is also changing. We now have more 10-15yrs olds compared to 5-10yr olds who are in turn more than 0-4 yr olds.
First time it is happening in KE in our recorded history. Also me-think we are the first to achieve this in SSA. Upcoming youth.....mmmh time bomb. Seems like the panga uzazi campaign bore fruits I wish we can innovate on a very big cottage industry that can absorb say 60% of the youth. I think we can quadruple our wealth in just one generation. With such, the dependant population would be so small in say next 15 years that we could wipe out poverty! Food processing------Big potential given it has its by-products "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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murchr wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It can be good or bad, depending on how you want to look at it. Good for farmers and companies like Safaricom who are selling needs, bad since there's no industry in this country big enough to swallow the large idle labor, plus with limited resources a large population puts pressure on the existing resources. Seems like the death rate has slowed down True. A larger % of Kenyans are living longer now than they used to. Interestingly the demographic distribution is also changing. We now have more 10-15yrs olds compared to 5-10yr olds who are in turn more than 0-4 yr olds.
First time it is happening in KE in our recorded history. Also me-think we are the first to achieve this in SSA. Upcoming youth.....mmmh time bomb. Seems like the panga uzazi campaign bore fruits I wish we can innovate on a very big cottage industry that can absorb say 60% of the youth. I think we can quadruple our wealth in just one generation. With such, the dependant population would be so small in say next 15 years that we could wipe out poverty! Food processing------Big potential given it has its by-products Or maziwa. What if we made a target of producing and exporting just 10% of powdered milk in the world? Govt does the deals then private investment funds.....
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/6/2009 Posts: 587
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Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It can be good or bad, depending on how you want to look at it. Good for farmers and companies like Safaricom who are selling needs, bad since there's no industry in this country big enough to swallow the large idle labor, plus with limited resources a large population puts pressure on the existing resources. Seems like the death rate has slowed down True. A larger % of Kenyans are living longer now than they used to. Interestingly the demographic distribution is also changing. We now have more 10-15yrs olds compared to 5-10yr olds who are in turn more than 0-4 yr olds.
First time it is happening in KE in our recorded history. Also me-think we are the first to achieve this in SSA. Upcoming youth.....mmmh time bomb. Seems like the panga uzazi campaign bore fruits I wish we can innovate on a very big cottage industry that can absorb say 60% of the youth. I think we can quadruple our wealth in just one generation. With such, the dependant population would be so small in say next 15 years that we could wipe out poverty! Food processing------Big potential given it has its by-products Or maziwa. What if we made a target of producing and exporting just 10% of powdered milk in the world? Govt does the deals then private investment funds..... Yea!!! Unless the government said that it has had enough taxes from imported eggs, fruits, sugar, maize, honey etc. as if they are not being produced locally...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Baratang wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:Thitifini wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??
Is this a good or bad thing? It can be good or bad, depending on how you want to look at it. Good for farmers and companies like Safaricom who are selling needs, bad since there's no industry in this country big enough to swallow the large idle labor, plus with limited resources a large population puts pressure on the existing resources. Seems like the death rate has slowed down True. A larger % of Kenyans are living longer now than they used to. Interestingly the demographic distribution is also changing. We now have more 10-15yrs olds compared to 5-10yr olds who are in turn more than 0-4 yr olds.
First time it is happening in KE in our recorded history. Also me-think we are the first to achieve this in SSA. Upcoming youth.....mmmh time bomb. Seems like the panga uzazi campaign bore fruits I wish we can innovate on a very big cottage industry that can absorb say 60% of the youth. I think we can quadruple our wealth in just one generation. With such, the dependant population would be so small in say next 15 years that we could wipe out poverty! Food processing------Big potential given it has its by-products Or maziwa. What if we made a target of producing and exporting just 10% of powdered milk in the world? Govt does the deals then private investment funds..... Yea!!! Unless the government said that it has had enough taxes from imported eggs, fruits, sugar, maize, honey etc. as if they are not being produced locally... I think we should not be importing all the above mentioned including fish. Sugar and Maize are used as political tools but we also import ndengu yet Kitui county doesn't know what to do with its excess production. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/15/2018 Posts: 428
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Most African and and to a lesser extent Asian nations are incapable of harnessing their high population growth. And thus it inevitably leads to societal problems. People are talking about a ticking time bomb yet the bomb has already started to explode and the reverberations are already being felt in the form of high crime rate, incessant traffic, long lines at hospitals,water shortage, rationing, mass joblessness, mass hopelessness and others. But more explosions are coming.
What is worse is that nearly 10% of the population now lives in Nairobi or its environs. Thats a terrible ratio. Serious measures are needed to start depopulating Nairobi. Further measures are needed to stem population growth countywide.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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radiomast wrote:Most African and and to a lesser extent Asian nations are incapable of harnessing their high population growth. And thus it inevitably leads to societal problems. People are talking about a ticking time bomb yet the bomb has already started to explode and the reverberations are already being felt in the form of high crime rate, incessant traffic, long lines at hospitals,water shortage, rationing, mass joblessness, mass hopelessness and others. But more explosions are coming.
What is worse is that nearly 10% of the population now lives in Nairobi or its environs. Thats a terrible ratio. Serious measures are needed to start depopulating Nairobi. Further measures are needed to stem population growth countywide. I have been preaching this gospel here in wazua. Kujeni mashinani please we develop counties and start creating jobs there which will eventually spread employment centres and try to even out employment countrywide. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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Angelica _ann wrote:radiomast wrote:Most African and and to a lesser extent Asian nations are incapable of harnessing their high population growth. And thus it inevitably leads to societal problems. People are talking about a ticking time bomb yet the bomb has already started to explode and the reverberations are already being felt in the form of high crime rate, incessant traffic, long lines at hospitals,water shortage, rationing, mass joblessness, mass hopelessness and others. But more explosions are coming.
What is worse is that nearly 10% of the population now lives in Nairobi or its environs. Thats a terrible ratio. Serious measures are needed to start depopulating Nairobi. Further measures are needed to stem population growth countywide. I have been preaching this gospel here in wazua. Kujeni mashinani please we develop counties and start creating jobs there which will eventually spread employment centres and try to even out employment countrywide. Urban migration should not be a bad thing. This can free up productive land for bigger and more profitable farms. Then mechanization of agriculture to increase efficiency and make our products competitive (we stop cultivating 1acre things with njembes). Then the urban migration could be used for processing the products and in the longer term as industrial workforce.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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mimi naona watu wakiongea tu... I think it really doesn't matter - people will go where they think 'inabakisha'... counties will only have people staying there or going back there if and only if staying there will 'bakisha' kitu in the pockets. I read that china actually made moves to deliberately move people from mashinani to the coastal sides for work instead of 'spreading' the development across the country. wakulima walime but everyone else aende mjini... this helped everyone including the mashambani people and juzi juzi they realized that mashambani life became better and some people would go back to shags over their new year and never came back so they started luring them with goodies to make them come back to the cities. What we need is to focus on 2-3 big cities - preferably 2 at the coast + Nairobi - kwisha maneno. Spreading development across the country is a foolish exercise - it's easier to move people than to move development. plus let's face it - not all counties in our country are productive... they can be but not at this stage - we need quick wins not wait until we can get Marsabit to rock and roll. But of course... ninaongea tu! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,547 Location: nairobi
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masukuma wrote:mimi naona watu wakiongea tu... I think it really doesn't matter - people will go where they think 'inabakisha'... counties will only have people staying there or going back there if and only if staying there will 'bakisha' kitu in the pockets. I read that china actually made moves to deliberately move people from mashinani to the coastal sides for work instead of 'spreading' the development across the country. wakulima walime but everyone else aende mjini... this helped everyone including the mashambani people and juzi juzi they realized that mashambani life became better and some people would go back to shags over their new year and never came back so they started luring them with goodies to make them come back to the cities. What we need is to focus on 2-3 big cities - preferably 2 at the coast + Nairobi - kwisha maneno. Spreading development across the country is a foolish exercise - it's easier to move people than to move development. plus let's face it - not all counties in our country are productive... they can be but not at this stage - we need quick wins not wait until we can get Marsabit to rock and roll. But of course... ninaongea tu! Devolution can give Kenya what has happened in South Africa, USA, France.. It's possible to have multiple thriving cities in one country Pretoria, Cape Town, Joburg, Paris, Lyon, Nice, New York, Texas, California, LA, Florida, DC etc
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:masukuma wrote:mimi naona watu wakiongea tu... I think it really doesn't matter - people will go where they think 'inabakisha'... counties will only have people staying there or going back there if and only if staying there will 'bakisha' kitu in the pockets. I read that china actually made moves to deliberately move people from mashinani to the coastal sides for work instead of 'spreading' the development across the country. wakulima walime but everyone else aende mjini... this helped everyone including the mashambani people and juzi juzi they realized that mashambani life became better and some people would go back to shags over their new year and never came back so they started luring them with goodies to make them come back to the cities. What we need is to focus on 2-3 big cities - preferably 2 at the coast + Nairobi - kwisha maneno. Spreading development across the country is a foolish exercise - it's easier to move people than to move development. plus let's face it - not all counties in our country are productive... they can be but not at this stage - we need quick wins not wait until we can get Marsabit to rock and roll. But of course... ninaongea tu! Devolution can give Kenya what has happened in South Africa, USA, France.. It's possible to have multiple thriving cities in one country Pretoria, Cape Town, Joburg, Paris, Lyon, Nice, New York, Texas, California, LA, Florida, DC etc Are those products of devolution (a plan by design to send funds from a central place to the peripherals) or products of self sufficiency? is Joburg a product of the gold mining happening there or is it a devolution product i.e. was Jozi there before they discovered gold or was it a city that was looking for a reason to exist and managed to find the reason (gold)? what about the rest? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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