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Why do we have parastatals like NCPB catering just for Maize and not beans and ndengu? I understand Kitui has a glut of ndengu (about 20000 tonne) a kilo is now going for 30/- as opposed to the normal 100/- Surely, are we such poor planners? Even the wisdom of the biblical Joseph during the drought of Egypt is too complex for us? Why do we go political on food? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2015 Posts: 467 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Why do we have parastatals like NCPB catering just for Maize and not beans and ndengu? I understand Kitui has a glut of ndengu (about 20000 tonne) a kilo is now going for 30/- as opposed to the normal 100/- Surely, are we such poor planners? Even the wisdom of the biblical Joseph during the drought of Egypt is too complex for us? Why do we go political on food? The Indian market is not the real issue. India limits imports to avoid the 'ndengu' price from crashing hence un-profitable for It's farmers - who are known to commit suicide on a bad harvest year... Sufficient long rains + planning by Kitui county (i.e distributing Ndengu seeds before the rains ) resulted in bumper harvest. At you local retail Kiosk/supermarket Ndengu is still ~100/kg. Every bumper harvest season [once in 3-4 years] the broker (a capitalist) will take advantage on the cash strapped farmer who hasn't had a harvest in as many years and will sell at any price. Storing has costs and risks and your average subsistence farmer can't. In November 2018 the price of Ndengu will be +100/Kg. Someday i will build silos and a guaranteed 70% gain in 4 months is fathomable...better than NSE stocks yield *** I have farmed Ndengu 2015/2016 and managed to ferry to Nairobi retailers @90/kg in a glut period but i am privileged middle class with a car
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Why do we have silos catering for maize sustained by the exchequer but not legumes (beans, peas, ndengu,) Rice, wheat etc. To me it seems very unfair. Where is the local leadership focus?. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Why do we have silos catering for maize sustained by the exchequer but not legumes (beans, peas, ndengu,) Rice, wheat etc. To me it seems very unfair. Where is the local leadership focus?. Maybe it's because there hasn't been a political pressure group to champion for these. Politics is also about making forces to be felt and responded to.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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The Ndengu glut exposes the dangers of production subsidies. The overproduction was due to subsidized farming through seeds and other inputs thus producing at below market costs. Retailers may have bought supplies at higher prices and may still be holding the higher prized stocks and now not able to absorb the cheap produce. Best option now would be for the county Gov to buy all the Ndengus and store to cushion the farmers am doing then market when market forces improves. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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Gathige wrote:The Ndengu glut exposes the dangers of production subsidies. The overproduction was due to subsidized farming through seeds and other inputs thus producing at below market costs. Retailers may have bought supplies at higher prices and may still be holding the higher prized stocks and now not able to absorb the cheap produce.
Best option now would be for the county Gov to buy all the Ndengus and store to cushion the farmers am doing then market when market forces improves. Good idea but does the county government have storage capacity? Why not the National government??..........and this brings forth an idea Jimnah has fought to have for a long time. Commodity Exchange!! It's done the world over. Why not in KE?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Why should we complain when we produce more food? Just give the farmers actellic super pesticide grain storage dust to mix with the ndengu to protect from weevils and they can be releasing to the market pole pole throughout the yr and make good cash. A 90 kg ndengu bag worth 9000 bob needs only a 50g satchet that costs only 50 bob.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Njunge wrote:Gathige wrote:The Ndengu glut exposes the dangers of production subsidies. The overproduction was due to subsidized farming through seeds and other inputs thus producing at below market costs. Retailers may have bought supplies at higher prices and may still be holding the higher prized stocks and now not able to absorb the cheap produce.
Best option now would be for the county Gov to buy all the Ndengus and store to cushion the farmers am doing then market when market forces improves. Good idea but does the county government have storage capacity? Why not the National government??..........and this brings forth an idea Jimnah has fought to have for a long time. Commodity Exchange!! It's done the world over. Why not in KE? Exactly! The prices would be somewhat regulated but that would cushion the farmer. At what price would the county govt buy the ndegu having supplied the seed in the first place? Farmers want Ngilu to purchase at 100/- is that sustainable? We would not be having this maize drama year in year out if a commodities exchange existed now Rotich is releasing 1.4B to pay maize farmers, can Kitui MPs approach him to buy ndegu too? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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All commodity prices are subject to supply vs demand forces. From oil to NSE shares to coffee to maize to ndengu. What we need to do is to free the maize sector from cartels who benefit from the NCPB shenanigans. Let maize, wheat, ndengu etc farmers store and release their produce to the market at the right time. Instead of them expecting us to subsidize them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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murchr wrote:Njunge wrote:Gathige wrote:The Ndengu glut exposes the dangers of production subsidies. The overproduction was due to subsidized farming through seeds and other inputs thus producing at below market costs. Retailers may have bought supplies at higher prices and may still be holding the higher prized stocks and now not able to absorb the cheap produce.
Best option now would be for the county Gov to buy all the Ndengus and store to cushion the farmers am doing then market when market forces improves. Good idea but does the county government have storage capacity? Why not the National government??..........and this brings forth an idea Jimnah has fought to have for a long time. Commodity Exchange!! It's done the world over. Why not in KE? Exactly! The prices would be somewhat regulated but that would cushion the farmer. At what price would the county govt buy the ndegu having supplied the seed in the first place? Farmers want Ngilu to purchase at 100/- is that sustainable? We would not be having this maize drama year in year out if a commodities exchange existed now Rotich is releasing 1.4B to pay maize farmers, can Kitui MPs approach him to buy ndegu too? A Commodity exchange would need a real sizeable produce volumes. We barely produce enough for consumption leave alone to trade. The maize at NCPB may be like 3 months reserves, hence nothing for trade. Sugar we basically have nothing and even Ndengus we eat are from neighboring countries and this is a one off glut considering this is a 90 days crop. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Gathige wrote:murchr wrote:Njunge wrote:Gathige wrote:The Ndengu glut exposes the dangers of production subsidies. The overproduction was due to subsidized farming through seeds and other inputs thus producing at below market costs. Retailers may have bought supplies at higher prices and may still be holding the higher prized stocks and now not able to absorb the cheap produce.
Best option now would be for the county Gov to buy all the Ndengus and store to cushion the farmers am doing then market when market forces improves. Good idea but does the county government have storage capacity? Why not the National government??..........and this brings forth an idea Jimnah has fought to have for a long time. Commodity Exchange!! It's done the world over. Why not in KE? Exactly! The prices would be somewhat regulated but that would cushion the farmer. At what price would the county govt buy the ndegu having supplied the seed in the first place? Farmers want Ngilu to purchase at 100/- is that sustainable? We would not be having this maize drama year in year out if a commodities exchange existed now Rotich is releasing 1.4B to pay maize farmers, can Kitui MPs approach him to buy ndegu too? A Commodity exchange would need a real sizeable produce volumes. We barely produce enough for consumption leave alone to trade. The maize at NCPB may be like 3 months reserves, hence nothing for trade. Sugar we basically have nothing and even Ndengus we eat are from neighboring countries and this is a one off glut considering this is a 90 days crop. Commodities exchange exists in low key look at todays business daily and daily nation. There you will find the price of cabbages green maize etc in Nairobi Mombasa and Kisumu. How much cabbages exist for consumption and trade? What were advocating for is active operation like in the NSE when the goods are scarce it's ok for the price to go up just like shares. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:Why do we have parastatals like NCPB catering just for Maize and not beans and ndengu? I understand Kitui has a glut of ndengu (about 20000 tonne) a kilo is now going for 30/- as opposed to the normal 100/- Surely, are we such poor planners? Even the wisdom of the biblical Joseph during the drought of Egypt is too complex for us? Why do we go political on food? 30 bob per kg? I should send a 10 ton truck to kitui to buy @30bob and then store and sell later @100 bob.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Why do we have parastatals like NCPB catering just for Maize and not beans and ndengu? I understand Kitui has a glut of ndengu (about 20000 tonne) a kilo is now going for 30/- as opposed to the normal 100/- Surely, are we such poor planners? Even the wisdom of the biblical Joseph during the drought of Egypt is too complex for us? Why do we go political on food? 30 bob per kg? I should send a 10 ton truck to kitui to buy @30bob and then store and sell later @100 bob. Correction. Sell to them later for 100. You asked why the farmer cannot store..capacity. storage is a whole different ball game all together. That's why cooperatives and grain reserves exist for mitigating against loss brought about by storage challenges "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Why do we have parastatals like NCPB catering just for Maize and not beans and ndengu? I understand Kitui has a glut of ndengu (about 20000 tonne) a kilo is now going for 30/- as opposed to the normal 100/- Surely, are we such poor planners? Even the wisdom of the biblical Joseph during the drought of Egypt is too complex for us? Why do we go political on food? 30 bob per kg? I should send a 10 ton truck to kitui to buy @30bob and then store and sell later @100 bob. That's where the rubber now meets the tarmac in commodities. 30 bob, is per gorogoro, ama mkebe. You then start consolidating from hundreds of farmers, then transport to your warehouse,dry to good levels to avoid afrotoxins and moulds, treat before storage , rent storage warehouse etc and wait for the right timing. It's profitable in the long run as you buys cheap. Incur costs and wait for the right time. If I were Ngilu, would buy all that glut with taxpayers money, distribute to all hungry counties for free and create future markets. Ndungus are not a Kenyan delicacy and once people get it cheap or free and discover it's yummy,a big market would be created. 20,000 tones is a drop in the ocean "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Gathige wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Why do we have parastatals like NCPB catering just for Maize and not beans and ndengu? I understand Kitui has a glut of ndengu (about 20000 tonne) a kilo is now going for 30/- as opposed to the normal 100/- Surely, are we such poor planners? Even the wisdom of the biblical Joseph during the drought of Egypt is too complex for us? Why do we go political on food? 30 bob per kg? I should send a 10 ton truck to kitui to buy @30bob and then store and sell later @100 bob. That's where the rubber now meets the tarmac in commodities. 30 bob, is per gorogoro, ama mkebe. You then start consolidating from hundreds of farmers, then transport to your warehouse,dry to good levels to avoid afrotoxins and moulds, treat before storage , rent storage warehouse etc and wait for the right timing. It's profitable in the long run as you buys cheap. Incur costs and wait for the right time. If I were Ngilu, would buy all that glut with taxpayers money, distribute to all hungry counties for free and create future markets. Ndungus are not a Kenyan delicacy and once people get it cheap or free and discover it's yummy,a big market would be created. 20,000 tones is a drop in the ocean I thought its automatic when we think of Chapati - Ndengu comes to mind. Chapo na ndengu or Chapo na madondo. According to data obtain by Bitange Ndemo, Domestic wheat consumption increased from 671,000 tons in 2004 to 1,850,000 tons in 2014. It has more than doubled within 10 years. Assuming 1/2 of it goes to making bread cakes, pasta etc, the rest is consumed by chapo eaters.....we should be taking in too much ndengu as a country. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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murchr wrote:Gathige wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Why do we have parastatals like NCPB catering just for Maize and not beans and ndengu? I understand Kitui has a glut of ndengu (about 20000 tonne) a kilo is now going for 30/- as opposed to the normal 100/- Surely, are we such poor planners? Even the wisdom of the biblical Joseph during the drought of Egypt is too complex for us? Why do we go political on food? 30 bob per kg? I should send a 10 ton truck to kitui to buy @30bob and then store and sell later @100 bob. That's where the rubber now meets the tarmac in commodities. 30 bob, is per gorogoro, ama mkebe. You then start consolidating from hundreds of farmers, then transport to your warehouse,dry to good levels to avoid afrotoxins and moulds, treat before storage , rent storage warehouse etc and wait for the right timing. It's profitable in the long run as you buys cheap. Incur costs and wait for the right time. If I were Ngilu, would buy all that glut with taxpayers money, distribute to all hungry counties for free and create future markets. Ndungus are not a Kenyan delicacy and once people get it cheap or free and discover it's yummy,a big market would be created. 20,000 tones is a drop in the ocean I thought its automatic when we think of Chapati - Ndengu comes to mind. Chapo na ndengu or Chapo na madondo. According to data obtain by Bitange Ndemo, Domestic wheat consumption increased from 671,000 tons in 2004 to 1,850,000 tons in 2014. It has more than doubled within 10 years. Assuming 1/2 of it goes to making bread cakes, pasta etc, the rest is consumed by chapo eaters.....we should be taking in too much ndengu as a country. 20,000 tones of the glut is equivalent to 20 million kilos of ndengu. Nbi has a population of close to 5 million people and assuming an average household size of four people, you get roughly 1.2 million households. If 25% only decide to take ndengus , they would wipe the whole glut in less than two months by taking a kilo a day as a source of protein as in stew for Ugali, Chapati, rice etc. It's just that people don't consume it. Much more meat, beans etc are consumed "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Gathige wrote:murchr wrote:Gathige wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Why do we have parastatals like NCPB catering just for Maize and not beans and ndengu? I understand Kitui has a glut of ndengu (about 20000 tonne) a kilo is now going for 30/- as opposed to the normal 100/- Surely, are we such poor planners? Even the wisdom of the biblical Joseph during the drought of Egypt is too complex for us? Why do we go political on food? 30 bob per kg? I should send a 10 ton truck to kitui to buy @30bob and then store and sell later @100 bob. That's where the rubber now meets the tarmac in commodities. 30 bob, is per gorogoro, ama mkebe. You then start consolidating from hundreds of farmers, then transport to your warehouse,dry to good levels to avoid afrotoxins and moulds, treat before storage , rent storage warehouse etc and wait for the right timing. It's profitable in the long run as you buys cheap. Incur costs and wait for the right time. If I were Ngilu, would buy all that glut with taxpayers money, distribute to all hungry counties for free and create future markets. Ndungus are not a Kenyan delicacy and once people get it cheap or free and discover it's yummy,a big market would be created. 20,000 tones is a drop in the ocean I thought its automatic when we think of Chapati - Ndengu comes to mind. Chapo na ndengu or Chapo na madondo. According to data obtain by Bitange Ndemo, Domestic wheat consumption increased from 671,000 tons in 2004 to 1,850,000 tons in 2014. It has more than doubled within 10 years. Assuming 1/2 of it goes to making bread cakes, pasta etc, the rest is consumed by chapo eaters.....we should be taking in too much ndengu as a country. 20,000 tones of the glut is equivalent to 20 million kilos of ndengu. Nbi has a population of close to 5 million people and assuming an average household size of four people, you get roughly 1.2 million households. If 25% only decide to take ndengus , they would wipe the whole glut in less than two months by taking a kilo a day as a source of protein as in stew for Ugali, Chapati, rice etc. It's just that people don't consume it. Much more meat, beans etc are consumed You are assuming that all the ndengu in the market is coming from Kitui and none is imported That customers do not purchase ndengu because they prefer meat or beans etc. What if the unavailability of ndengu drives people to beans? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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murchr wrote:Why do we have silos catering for maize sustained by the exchequer but not legumes (beans, peas, ndengu,) Rice, wheat etc. To me it seems very unfair. Where is the local leadership focus?. Dengu is a staple of the Uniformed forces in Kenya. I know, because we used to eat the stuff in NYS and they still do. We have more than half a million men and women in uniform at any one time. A dengu surplus of 20,000 tons is not a problem, it is a solution. But, as usual our lack of imagination, or is it stupidity, blinds us to the obvious. Mama Ngilu needs to be commended for her vision, not condemned. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Wakanyugi wrote:murchr wrote:Why do we have silos catering for maize sustained by the exchequer but not legumes (beans, peas, ndengu,) Rice, wheat etc. To me it seems very unfair. Where is the local leadership focus?. Dengu is a staple of the Uniformed forces in Kenya. I know, because we used to eat the stuff in NYS and they still do. We have more than half a million men and women in uniform at any one time. A dengu surplus of 20,000 tons is not a problem, it is a solution. But, as usual our lack of imagination, or is it stupidity, blinds us to the obvious. Mama Ngilu needs to be commended for her vision, not condemned. I totally agree. But if that's a staple for the uniformed, it means there's a tenderpreneur somewhere importing from India or Bangladesh. If we can get that little detail then we'd know who's fighting Ngilu. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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Meanwhile, Crystal ball prof has opened a 10 Bed hotel in Kitui. This should ease the glut albeit in a small way https://www.nation.co.ke...55792-ucjrfiz/index.html"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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