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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I've been searching for my home all my life, and you can imagine, that after so much drifting and wandering, and wondering, I come to shock of shocks, that my home is the sun.
And then, the interesting thing is that I'm okay, by virtue of being of the sun. My dis-ease has been of estrangement with the sun.
What mystery, what power and beauty! What majesty!
Yet, the sun that can be seen, like the Tao, isn't the everlasting and true sun.
If there's true religion, then it must venerate the sun.
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Hapo ni kweli kabisa
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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It may be very difficult for one to understand what I'm saying; yet the idea is very simple.
For example, the body-mind knows the laws of physics before the self.
The self estranges from the mind-body, and suffering follows. This is the original sin. The sun is the tree of life.
Yet it's almost inaccessible.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/25/2008 Posts: 510
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I know the Sun too; Traditional Kalenjin religion is based upon a belief in a supreme god, Asis or Cheptalel, who is represented in the form of the sun, although the sun is not God himself. This originated from ancient Egypt as Isis and found itself in the west in may forms from all seeing eye and others if you notice ra (sun god) has a circle (solar disk) in its head. There is something strange about the sun I tell you! All Energy(ether) and thus thought energy originate from the sun I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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T-Bag wrote:I know the Sun too; Traditional Kalenjin religion is based upon a belief in a supreme god, Asis or Cheptalel, who is represented in the form of the sun, although the sun is not God himself.
This originated from ancient Egypt as Isis and found itself in the west in may forms from all seeing eye and others if you notice ra (sun god) has a circle (solar disk) in its head.
There is something strange about the sun I tell you! All Energy(ether) and thus thought energy originate from the sun May be the idea of the sun God didn't originate in Egypt but is coeval with humanity. And probably human origin is a matter of centers rather than one center. And then the interesting thing is how revolutions are related with and to the sun. The Ptolemaic, the Coppernican and now we're on the verge of a 'post Coppernican' revolution and it's still about the sun. Or is it CERN? Christianity is about the Sun God being human...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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There is no mystery. You know the sun is not the only star... In fact it is not even among the largest... so to even think conclude that this is your home and yet you went to school is insult to your intellect...
That thought is for our great grandparents who couldn't even travel 100 miles away...
At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!" Revelation 19:10 (NIV)
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/25/2008 Posts: 510
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tycho wrote:T-Bag wrote:I know the Sun too; Traditional Kalenjin religion is based upon a belief in a supreme god, Asis or Cheptalel, who is represented in the form of the sun, although the sun is not God himself.
This originated from ancient Egypt as Isis and found itself in the west in may forms from all seeing eye and others if you notice ra (sun god) has a circle (solar disk) in its head.
There is something strange about the sun I tell you! All Energy(ether) and thus thought energy originate from the sun May be the idea of the sun God didn't originate in Egypt but is coeval with humanity. And probably human origin is a matter of centers rather than one center. And then the interesting thing is how revolutions are related with and to the sun. The Ptolemaic, the Coppernican and now we're on the verge of a 'post Coppernican' revolution and it's still about the sun. Or is it CERN? Christianity is about the Sun God being human... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTbIu8Zeqp0
I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:There is no mystery. You know the sun is not the only star... In fact it is not even among the largest... so to even think conclude that this is your home and yet you went to school is insult to your intellect...
That thought is for our great grandparents who couldn't even travel 100 miles away...
At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!" Revelation 19:10 (NIV) Your ignorance is forgiven.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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T-Bag wrote:tycho wrote:T-Bag wrote:I know the Sun too; Traditional Kalenjin religion is based upon a belief in a supreme god, Asis or Cheptalel, who is represented in the form of the sun, although the sun is not God himself.
This originated from ancient Egypt as Isis and found itself in the west in may forms from all seeing eye and others if you notice ra (sun god) has a circle (solar disk) in its head.
There is something strange about the sun I tell you! All Energy(ether) and thus thought energy originate from the sun May be the idea of the sun God didn't originate in Egypt but is coeval with humanity. And probably human origin is a matter of centers rather than one center. And then the interesting thing is how revolutions are related with and to the sun. The Ptolemaic, the Coppernican and now we're on the verge of a 'post Coppernican' revolution and it's still about the sun. Or is it CERN? Christianity is about the Sun God being human... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTbIu8Zeqp0
http://www.zeitgeistmovi...panion%20Guide%20PDF.pdf
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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What I've come to understand is that science gives birth to religion and mythology.
The Copernican revolution changed not just science, but also provided a force that's working even now, to change religion.
I can say that our times are times of religious decadence because most world religions are estranged from science. And hence mythologies have also collapsed.
The great work of our times is construction of identity in science, religion and mythology. And not just that, but also the development of identity models that are flexible and with efficient knowledge management practices.
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tycho wrote:What I've come to understand is that science gives birth to religion and mythology.
The Copernican revolution changed not just science, but also provided a force that's working even now, to change religion.
I can say that our times are times of religious decadence because most world religions are estranged from science. And hence mythologies have also collapsed.
The great work of our times is construction of identity in science, religion and mythology. And not just that, but also the development of identity models that are flexible and with efficient knowledge management practices. suppose there is no good God and no evil god, @tycho do u think u would have worshipers? ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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muandiwambeu wrote:tycho wrote:What I've come to understand is that science gives birth to religion and mythology.
The Copernican revolution changed not just science, but also provided a force that's working even now, to change religion.
I can say that our times are times of religious decadence because most world religions are estranged from science. And hence mythologies have also collapsed.
The great work of our times is construction of identity in science, religion and mythology. And not just that, but also the development of identity models that are flexible and with efficient knowledge management practices. suppose there is no good God and no evil god, @tycho do u think u would have worshipers? If there were an entity like 'God' then he/she'd require no classification as either 'good' or 'evil'. Such a classification would imply 'worship'. But would worship be restricted to 'good' or 'evil' only? Certainly not! Therefore, a God neither 'good' nor 'evil' would still have worshippers.
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T-Bag wrote:I know the Sun too; Traditional Kalenjin religion is based upon a belief in a supreme god, Asis or Cheptalel, who is represented in the form of the sun, although the sun is not God himself.
This originated from ancient Egypt as Isis and found itself in the west in may forms from all seeing eye and others if you notice ra (sun god) has a circle (solar disk) in its head.
There is something strange about the sun I tell you! All Energy(ether) and thus thought energy originate from the sun Considering all elements are a result of fusion in the stars this is true. In a place where thought is abandoned, freedom can become a curse.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:There is no mystery. You know the sun is not the only star... In fact it is not even among the largest... so to even think conclude that this is your home and yet you went to school is insult to your intellect...
That thought is for our great grandparents who couldn't even travel 100 miles away...
At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!" Revelation 19:10 (NIV) Your ignorance is forgiven. Tycho please be polite. But you do have a point It is more logical to believe in the Sun, being the provable giver of life and to worship it as a God. This indeed has been the case among many peoples. In fact the three major desert religions trace some of their dogma to sun worship. Alas, faith is not logical and thus Aphadoti will find it easier to defend the worship of an unseen god (a psychopath too, if the old Testament is to be believed) than a Sun God that we can all see and feel. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Hi @Wakanyugi. I think you're right about me not being polite. Please, may you @Alph Doti, and all members forgive me for not being respectful and polite.
I find faith to be about expecting the application of certain knowledge to yield certain results. If I'm right, then on what can knowledge be based on if not experience?
And what's the basis of human experience if not the sun?
Considering how thoughts develop, and knowing the homogeneity of humans, it's no wonder that all cultures may exhibit a pattern.
Human civilization is basically discourse on the sun. Even when a mightier God than the sun is claimed, one can't fail to find concessions that perhaps reveal our own abstractions from the sun. It's more of a translocation of symbols.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Hi @Wakanyugi. I think you're right about me not being polite. Please, may you @Alph Doti, and all members forgive me for not being respectful and polite.
I find faith to be about expecting the application of certain knowledge to yield certain results. If I'm right, then on what can knowledge be based on if not experience?
And what's the basis of human experience if not the sun?
Considering how thoughts develop, and knowing the homogeneity of humans, it's no wonder that all cultures may exhibit a pattern.
Human civilization is basically discourse on the sun. Even when a mightier God than the sun is claimed, one can't fail to find concessions that perhaps reveal our own abstractions from the sun. It's more of a translocation of symbols. Tycho, the only reason I admonished you is because I have this mental image of our resident Mullah Alphadoti as the sage of Wazuastan. I suspect one day I'll be disabused of this mental construct but until then----- As for the Sun/God, given humans desperate need for a prop to serve as higher being, the Sun is as good a crutch as any. So long as we leave our minds open to the possibility that this god may one day be supplanted, we should be ok. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Hi @Wakanyugi. I think you're right about me not being polite. Please, may you @Alph Doti, and all members forgive me for not being respectful and polite.
I find faith to be about expecting the application of certain knowledge to yield certain results. If I'm right, then on what can knowledge be based on if not experience?
And what's the basis of human experience if not the sun?
Considering how thoughts develop, and knowing the homogeneity of humans, it's no wonder that all cultures may exhibit a pattern.
Human civilization is basically discourse on the sun. Even when a mightier God than the sun is claimed, one can't fail to find concessions that perhaps reveal our own abstractions from the sun. It's more of a translocation of symbols. Tycho, the only reason I admonished you is because I have this mental image of our resident Mullah Alphadoti as the sage of Wazuastan. I suspect one day I'll be disabused of this mental construct but until then----- As for the Sun/God, given humans desperate need for a prop to serve as higher being, the Sun is as good a crutch as any. So long as we leave our minds open to the possibility that this god may one day be supplanted, we should be ok. The issue of the sun not being the only and the biggest star is instructive. I should have tackled it instead of throwing in an ad hominem. I let it go anyway... The idea of 'crutch' is interesting. Do humans need a crutch? The cosmological principle precludes that. We live in a homogenous universe, and thus the micro-cosmos and the macro-cosmos are one. So where and when do we need 'crutches'? And there's the mind. I suspect it is the interelation of things in the universe according to its laws. In our case, the sun facilitates our seeing beyond it in a sense. Yet when you probe closer, you realize that the sun is pointing at itself, and you're pointing at yourself.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Human history, is the also the history of the sun. Why civilizations have fallen and why they'll continue to fall; it's all in locus of understanding and relation to and with the sun.
We can know how, for example, the African came to be colonized and alienated by other races, and why, even the most concerted efforts to abolish slavery and racism have failed.
The history of the sun provides us as Africans, hope, I bet because everything has its season and time. And that global and even universal conditions now favor the tradition that informed Afrikana philosophy.
I have no doubt that we're at a time when Africans can build a civilization and empire at the same time. And it will be inevitable for a new understanding of the sun to cause civilization and empire.
Empires and civilization are built by the sun.
If you check on the Kardashev scale, African philosophy, science and technology can facilitate a move from O to I.
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Hi @Wakanyugi. I think you're right about me not being polite. Please, may you @Alph Doti, and all members forgive me for not being respectful and polite.
I find faith to be about expecting the application of certain knowledge to yield certain results. If I'm right, then on what can knowledge be based on if not experience?
And what's the basis of human experience if not the sun?
Considering how thoughts develop, and knowing the homogeneity of humans, it's no wonder that all cultures may exhibit a pattern.
Human civilization is basically discourse on the sun. Even when a mightier God than the sun is claimed, one can't fail to find concessions that perhaps reveal our own abstractions from the sun. It's more of a translocation of symbols. Tycho, the only reason I admonished you is because I have this mental image of our resident Mullah Alphadoti as the sage of Wazuastan. I suspect one day I'll be disabused of this mental construct but until then----- As for the Sun/God, given humans desperate need for a prop to serve as higher being, the Sun is as good a crutch as any. So long as we leave our minds open to the possibility that this god may one day be supplanted, we should be ok. The issue of the sun not being the only and the biggest star is instructive. I should have tackled it instead of throwing in an ad hominem. I let it go anyway... The idea of 'crutch' is interesting. Do humans need a crutch? The cosmological principle precludes that. We live in a homogenous universe, and thus the micro-cosmos and the macro-cosmos are one. So where and when do we need 'crutches'? I have a theory about this but it is only a theory. Life on Earth is not the normal for human beings and it remains a strange and scary experience for most of us all our lives. That is why we need things like region, alcohol, superstition etc that give us some measure comfort. These are all crutches, are they not? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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