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CENTUM FY2016/2017
Ericsson
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 9:21:37 AM
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Centum reports a decline of 16 per cent in Net Profit for the year ended 31 March 2017.
Net profit declines from sh.9.948bn to 8.31bn

Profit before tax declines by 18% from sh.10.873bn to 8.943bn

Board recommended a final dividend of sh.1.20 per share
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
littledove
#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 9:35:34 AM
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div of ksh1.20 per share
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
muganda
#3 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 9:59:00 AM
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True test on whether we invest on net profit (-18%) or net asset value (+13%)



Full results link https://view.publitas.co...-year-ended-31-mar-2017/
Horton
#4 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:12:12 AM
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muganda wrote:
True test on whether we invest on net profit (-18%) or net asset value (+13%)



Not a bad performance gearing ratio that had many people nervous can now "rerax"
Ericsson
#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:23:31 AM
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http://www.centum.co.ke/images/docs/IB_FY17.pdf


Unrealized gains on real estate at sh.6.452bn
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ebenyo
#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:40:54 AM
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last year dps-1.00
this year dps-1.20

this is now a good attitude towards shareholders.i think i will now view them positively.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
target1360
#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:40:43 PM
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we need to know the amount of bonnus to employees to compare
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
Realtreaty
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:50:41 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Spiraling Anxious Anxious Anxious Sickamp; Sickamp; Silenced Silenced
Just wondering whether the 5 year value creation that ends 2018-9 will be successful or horribleSad Sad
Yes we have many investment vehicles leading to new openings but Centum is still hungry for more funds to do projects.n
They do not want to liquefy the stock by issues bonuses but maintaining lower price of a stock that moved from 85 high to now 40!!!
Too much regulated!!!
Coop Bank has decided to make money by increasing No of shares.
So who is making Money?
Ebenyo
#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:50:47 PM
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target1360 wrote:
we need to know the amount of bonnus to employees to compare



direct and other operating costs is kshs 8,204,607,000- this is the highest expenditure.Then the second highest expenditure is kshs 3,884,669,000 which is called "funding and other costs".
Probably bonuses are their in between.
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muandiwambeu
#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:05:02 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Spiraling Anxious Anxious Anxious Sickamp; Sickamp; Silenced Silenced
Just wondering whether the 5 year value creation that ends 2018-9 will be successful or horribleSad Sad
Yes we have many investment vehicles leading to new openings but Centum is still hungry for more funds to do projects.n
They do not want to liquefy the stock by issues bonuses but maintaining lower price of a stock that moved from 85 high to now 40!!!
Too much regulated!!!
Coop Bank has decided to make money by increasing No of shares.
So who is making Money?

Master's of revaluation. I argue against such valuations from the musketeers and masters of this rocky ship. Even if u valued a Mboroti worth a dime a million dimes it still values a dime until someone is ready to pay your a million dimes. Nah. I quit these shenanigansim that will hurt hot air buyers,prospectors.lSad Sad Sad
The nav issue has been very strategically pressed to suckup anyway. Coz the divs growth / payout versus bottom line still sulks.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
target1360
#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:53:03 PM
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correct me if am wrong.centum has less than 700m shares.at kes 1.2 each total divedend is still less than a billion
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
littledove
#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:12:33 PM
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target1360 wrote:
correct me if am wrong.centum has less than 700m shares.at kes 1.2 each total divedend is still less than a billion

true
Shares Issued 665,441,775
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
Horton
#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:55:09 PM
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As someone has already said here, I dont get the economics of Bonus shares making a share price rally....its quite amateurish. If hypothetically, Centum announced a 1:2 or even a 1:10 bonus this share would have shot up (coop comes to mind) so these new shares increase supply but only in Kenya where demand would increase because of a "bonus"

BRK.A has never given a dividend, bonus or a split (with the exception of BRK.B stock but that was for different purposes) I guess it would be a pretty unpopular stock in Kenya.
BRK also measures its performance relative to NAV and pays good bonuses to retain the likes of Ajit Jain.

This company is nimble and agile. Its trading at a NAV and PE discount it should be worth atleast its value in assets.

Angelica _ann
#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:31:57 PM
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littledove wrote:
target1360 wrote:
correct me if am wrong.centum has less than 700m shares.at kes 1.2 each total divedend is still less than a billion

true
Shares Issued 665,441,775


Dealing with psychology of Wanjuku. She cried, give her something small smile smile smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
actuarywahisa
#15 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:41:42 PM
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Horton wrote:
As someone has already said here, I dont get the economics of Bonus shares making a share price rally....its quite amateurish. If hypothetically, Centum announced a 1:2 or even a 1:10 bonus this share would have shot up (coop comes to mind) so these new shares increase supply but only in Kenya where demand would increase because of a "bonus"

BRK.A has never given a dividend, bonus or a split (with the exception of BRK.B stock but that was for different purposes) I guess it would be a pretty unpopular stock in Kenya.
BRK also measures its performance relative to NAV and pays good bonuses to retain the likes of Ajit Jain.

This company is nimble and agile. Its trading at a NAV and PE discount it should be worth atleast its value in assets.



It is purely psychological. It is hope of the the counter realising a price that is higher than the theoretical post-scrip price.

It is the hope of taking advantage of the irrationality of the market and also of one who comes to the market without doing their homework on the counter that has done a bonus issue.
There are too many opportunities all around. Open your eyes and maybe you'll spot one
actuarywahisa
#16 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:10:15 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
last year dps-1.00
this year dps-1.20

this is now a good attitude towards shareholders.i think i will now view them positively.


Nope. Just a move to support the share price.
There are too many opportunities all around. Open your eyes and maybe you'll spot one
Ericsson
#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:54:21 PM
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http://www.businessdaily...7684-h6y6c2z/index.html

The bank laid off 108 out of its total 560 staff at a cost of Sh70 million as a strategy to contain costs under the rate caps regime.
Despite the job cuts, Sidian’s wage bill increased 10 per cent to 374 million in the half-year period.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:55:06 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/news/Sidian-slips-loss-lower-interest-income-/3815534-4057684-h6y6c2z/index.html

The bank laid off 108 out of its total 560 staff at a cost of Sh70 million as a strategy to contain costs under the rate caps regime.
Despite the job cuts, Sidian’s wage bill increased 10 per cent to 374 million in the half-year period.


Tough times for Tier 3 banks. As a shareholder of Centum, I hope Sidian can find a strategic investor who can bring in new cash [equity] and expertise in micro-banking. Is there a possibility of Sidian acquiring Platinum (micro-lender) as a subsidiary?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Angelica _ann
#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:00:29 PM
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Repeat
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Angelica _ann
#20 Posted : Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:02:54 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/news/Sidian-slips-loss-lower-interest-income-/3815534-4057684-h6y6c2z/index.html

The bank laid off 108 out of its total 560 staff at a cost of Sh70 million as a strategy to contain costs under the rate caps regime.
Despite the job cuts, Sidian’s wage bill increased 10 per cent to 374 million in the half-year period.


Probably because of bonuses to employees like mother smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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